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Okay so in the first movie Scar looks 50 human age around that point in life any way and Simba looks 10-12 maybe 13. In the second film Simba looks 20-40 I know big gap and Zira looks around that age maybe 30-40 but really 20-40. Assuming Sarabi died of old age Safina was a bit younger then her I think and there both gone then if Zira was Scars age she would probably be dead to looking at the fact Sarabi and Safina aren't there in the movie. For life to come back to the pridelands would take 10-30 years well really 10-50 but based on ages comparatively from both films 10-30 really 10-20. So based on Simbas age Zira would be 10-20 in Scars regin so to young to have a kid. Nuke looks 17. So let's say it's been 20 years because we never saw him in the first film. Vitani is 10-13 really 10-12 in the secound we never saw her in the first so let's say 20 years have past. Scar said himself "I have the brains but as far as brute strength goes I'm on the shallow end of the gene pool." So he probably would not train the lionesses to fight so he could not be over thrown. He dose hold himself as strong for the first half of his and Simbas battle. I can now reason Simba was not trained. Mufasa seemed anti-violence so he probably did not train Simba. Malaysia beat him two times once as an adult and once as a child. So probably he was not trained by Timmon and Pumba. Ever one seems to fear him or at least the outsiders do so he probably trained some during the gap between movies so how could Zira defeat him if she was
50-60 well with the gap between movies 70-80. Really leaning towards 80. So she would have to be 10-20 during Scars regin creepy romance then Right? So maybe 20-30 but still he's like 50-60. So creepy right? Let me hear your thoughts.

Lions have different life cycles than humans, so comparing or even converting a lion's life span to a human's is not really an accurate description of a lion's biological clock. As long as a Zira and Scar were both full grown adults, there's really no problem for an age gap in the animal kingdom. Lions, ants, frogs, dogs, birds, and any other animal you can think of don't assign their lives to calendars filled with numbers and dates. The don't have consent laws set by their age. Humans are only the ones to apply time to the ability or morality behind meaningful relationships. Animals do have a sense of seasonal changes based on their instincts of survival, but it's not like they count seasons like humans do. They listen to their bodies and instincts to survive and reproduce.

Given that this is considered to be a family movie, it is more than likely that if there were any creepy scenes with Scar and younger lionesses, they would have been cut out of the final. It is seen in a certain scratched scene where Scar proposes to Nala to be his queen in the first movie. If the writers got rid of that scene, then they probably did their best to make sure not to repeat something similar in the Lion King II: Simba's Pride. I always got a sense that Zira was much older than the rest of the outlanders, even older than Simba or Nala due to her dark and grey color, as well as her raspy voice. Besides that it is clear that Nuka is her son, and that he was a young adult, probably younger than Simba by only a few years, so it is safe to say that she is way older than you estimated her to be. On top of that Nuka was probably kept out of sight during Simab's return, and his mother (Zira) probably took him with her to the outlands when banished. (The banishment was off screen too, so who's to say which pride members were alive to be banished? For all we know, Zira could have been pregnant with Vitani and Nuka was already born.) Nuka growing up in the Pridelands under Scar's reign would also explain his malnourished and lanky build as an adult since he probably spent his entire life starving. He probably appeared the size of a teenager because of a harsh childhood when really he was a young adult. Even when he died in the movie it was safe to assume that he had reached full adulthood since Kovu was a young adult (you can tell by the amount of mane on their heads).

Besides that, as people get older, the age gap between partners is given more leniency. For example, my parents are 5 years apart in age. In high school it would have been weird for my father (the older parent) to date my mother (the younger parent) since he would be 18 and she would be 13. But as people age, it is acceptable for a 25 year old and a 30 year old to date or even marry without any social stigmas that would come from an age gap. This is a similar theme that you can apply to the Zira and Scar relationship. Even if she were younger, as they age their gap wouldn't really matter.

On another note, here's another wicked and creepy fact:

Some male lions will reproduce with their own offspring if the lionesses are fully mature and have gone though adolescence. A similar concept is seen in wolf packs, where inbreeding is common between two litter mates that will become the alpha pair of the pack. Even in the movie the Lion King, the writers had to dance around inbreeding in the pride by clearly stating Kovu and Kiara are not related, and never making a clear statement about Nala's father. Since the writers did that, it is a popular theory that Simba and Nala are cousins or even half-siblings if Nala's father was Mufasa or Scar respectively. Taking what I mentioned earlier about the deleted scene from the Lion King, there was a possibility for incest in the movie had the writers not removed it. In comparison to your claim of Scar and Zira's relationship being creepy, I'd say that the incest is much worse than a minor age gap between two consenting non-related adults. Even if Zira were as young as you believe, it is a far better alternative than incest in the pride.

Yes I agree lions are have different aging cycl so then Humans but still the incest is very creepy but as far as the age gap Zira is probably as young as Simba given the fact she is clever enough to know if he defeated Scar he would probably defeat her given they're of the same body type and age if you say. She dose not back away from battle besides Sarabi and Safina who would be around her age as well as Scars if they were the same age are not in the secound movie we can safely assume they have died of old age.

First off, please work on your grammar and punctuation. It's really hard to read your posts.

About "missing characters" - Zira and her kids did not appear in original movie because at this time no sequel was planned and these characters were not created yet. Sarabi and Sarafina did not appear in Simba's Pride because they were not important to the plot.

According to the movie, Kovu was born in the pridelands when Scar was alive. Nuka might have looked smaller and more immature, but he was a fully grown adult at the time Kovu was a young adult. And for me Zira looked older than Simba, but I think she was younger than Scar, but still, it's not impossible for her to be mates with Scar.

HOWEVER, canonicaly speaking, Zira was NOT Scar's mate at all.

Sorry. Well yeah but looking just at clues the movie gives us.

From what I gathered from the movie, I always assumed Zira was a hardcore fangirl of Scar's and not his mate. She probably unrealistically idolized Scar and when he became the King, she pretty much was disillusioned by her loyalty to Scar to actually think clearly for herself. Even after his death she was obsessed with him and his legacy to the point where she'd pretty much ignored and malnourished her own two biological kids for a cub that "looked like Scar". (Let's face it, in terms of build and details, Kovu looks nothing like Scar.)

Knowing her level of obsession, I'd say she'd have to be at a very impressionable age when she first idolized Scar. I'd say she'd have to be either an adolescent or young adult (Any younger, and she wouldn't have the same crazy level of obsession she has in Simba's Pride.) when Mufasa died and Simba left the Pridelands as a cub. I assume this because she sees Scar for his better times than his worst, meaning that she had to enjoy Scar's reign on the Pridelands before the lands were over hunted and dried up.

She may also be more sympathetic or even emphatic to Scar to idolize him. Here's a good few fan theories (even though as Troll said, Zira didn't exist as an idea in the first movie):

- Zira was an outcast similar to Scar, and she spent time away from the pride just as Scar did. When Mufasa died and Scar took over, Zira saw Scar as someone who like her, was an outcast but made it to the top. This may have sent her on a path to see Scar as the embodiment of her desires to not be an outcast, and thus lead to her obsession of him.

- Then again, for Zira's relationship with Scar, she may be a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. Scar didn't let the lionesses leave after all. They were basically his prisoners. Maybe she was affected like the other younger lionesses born during/at the start of Scar's reign, meaning that they didn't know any better lifestyle. Nala wasn't affected because of her friendship with Simba as a child, so maybe she and her mother was too closely tied to Simba, Sarabi, and Mufasa to fully accept Scar.

These theories only make sense if she has the brain of a teenager/young adult during the times I had listed. Any younger and Zira would be less loyal to Scar and if any older Zira's insanity would probably have lead to her dying for Scar.

Well I don't think so but what if she was raped by Scar it could explian her hatered of Nuka and she would proabably have not been able to process it. She found another mate had Vitani found another mate and had Kovu who Scar choose being unable to process this she would probably make a fantasy out of it Scar loved her and all that.

I highly doubt that, simply because Disney would never green light that. Rape is just too heavy and sensitive of a topic to be put into a family-friendly movie franchise.

This makes no sense at all. Plus Kovu and Vitani look like littermates or at least the same age. There would be too much age difference if Zira had to find one mate after another. Two fathers of the same litter is possible though.

Yes my only problem with that is they don't look like Zira and they don't look like each other so what Zira found a blonde but also dark lion with both green and blue eyes?

Oh Disney did come very close with the deleted Nala scene to rape. I think they cut that for reasons your suggusting but did not publish itVitani and Kovu both probably look like their father with Kovu I mean Zira doesn't look like either of them and she is their mother. Now they don't look a like either.

Please don't doublepost. Edit your posts if you have something to add.

And for people saying "thay can't be siblings because they don't look like each other" here's the amazing discovery: Scar and Mufasa are brothers.

First off sorry I'm new here. Secound off parents for Mufasa and Scar have both been designed while Zira is Vitani and Kovu's mother both parents of Mufasa and Scar were designed to give a combination of their features where as Vitani and Kovu's fathers would have to be different because Zira dose not look like them. Either of them! Well she looks like later Bitani but as for fathers maybe their just like one year off like in human years. Zira had Vitani then maybe had Kovu a little while later.

No, they weren't. SNA is not canon and it only shows their father, not to mention even this design is very confusing because the book illustration is inconsistent to book description.

Okay but I mean who ever was her mate dosn't effect the point she is a complex character she shows love for Nuka when he dies but based on her dedication to Scar she probably thinks that's a sign of weakness. She is a mother of three who thinks love is weakness so she's not a good mom but she tries she lets Kovu go when he betrayed her. She needs someone to blame for Nuka's death but she is not willing to kill her son. Basic mother stuff. She is however willing to sacrifice Bitani in the the battle. Why did she not kill Kovu then if he betrayed her and killed Nuka? She is driven mad by Nuka's death in a state of grief thinking that is weakness she tries to avenge Scar. The only one who never turned on her to her eye. She probably blocks out Nuka. I still think she is just incapable of processing her emotions and is torchered inside. She probably blames her self for ever bad thing that's happened but thinking emotion is a sign of weakness tries to blame somebody else. Now with the deleted scene of Nuka's death movies don't like to show emotion why make complex characters when you could just have goodguys and badguys? Also they have a limited time span so they wouldn't "waste time" on a mothers grief or complex characters. So yeah I mean they didn't spend much time on Simba's grief for his father. He comes down pleads with him to wake up and then runs into his crazy uncle seems it could have been written better.