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Kazzy i agree completely 100000% with you when im older(i already decided) im adopting a dog from the RSPCA or one of the animal charities people. people who dont believe in what you wrote are liars and kidding themselves if you love animals try following kazzy's exmple

Wonderful topic, Kazzy! And I couldn't agree more, especially considering I personally know many real, reputable breeders myself and have been training dogs in obedience and conformation since I was in about the sixth grade. I can't tell you how steamed I get when I hear people going around talking about their cockapoo being a "pure bred" when all it really is is a pure bred mutt! This isn't saying that I don't love mixed breeds, some of my smartest dogs have been mutts and I've loved them dearly. But the fact is, they're not a pure bred. Saying that they are is as silly as me calling my 13 year old German Shepherd Dog/Australian Shepherd mix is an Germalian Shepherd and comes from a pure bloodline! It's simply ridiculous.

And buying these "designer" dogs does just help backyard breeders, who only exist to make money and don't give a rat's bum whether or not the dog finds a good home. They also couldn't care less if the two breeds they are mixing happen to have genetic flaws that cause them to have physical problems later in life. Not to say that pure bred dogs don't suffer from physical ailments due to genetics - Dachshunds tend to have back problems because their spines aren't supported as well by their short, spread out legs and feet.

Bottom line is, if you have your heart set on a certain breed you want, do research to make sure you know what kind of temperament and exercise it needs and go for it. If you don't care what breed you want, head to your local Humane Society or shelter and adopt a dog who's waiting for a good home. That cute mutt in the cage at the shelter will probably be a better choice anyway.

I think it's also important to note that a shelter dog =/= a 'bad' dog in any way, shape or form. There can sometimes be a stereotype that goes along w/ animals in the shelter or pound - particularly large/'intimidating' dogs - that they must be vicious or crazy or something to have ended up in a shelter. This is -rarely- the case, and most dogs surrendered due to 'untrainability' or some other hogwash excuse have come from an owner who just didn't know what they were doing or didn't take the time to really work with the dog. Likewise, a 'vicious' dog may have displayed some kind of territorial, food- or cage-aggressive behavior, etc., and automatically been labeled dangerous, when really, they're a great dog that just needs a little help in some way... At the clinic where I work, there's a dog that boards with us frequently, and can be quite cage-aggressive - meaning, when he's in the cage, he becomes more antisocial, may growl/bark when you put him in, etc... but once you let him out, and he no longer feels confined/threatened, he's just as nice as can be, and very smart. It's issues like this that may have made a particular dog unsuitable according to one family, but may worked through or irrelevent to another.

Some common reasons dogs end up in shelters;
-owner(s) moved, couldn't take pet w/ them.
-owner has passed on, nobody offered to take in pet.
-allergies, new baby, marriage - something that is decidedly more important than having a dog, or too difficult to do both at once.
-perceived behavior issue, such as accidents, chewing, cage aggression, etc., all of which can be combatted with training.
-strays & surplus puppies.

Shelter dogs end up in the situation they're in at no fault of their own, and definitely do not deserve to be continually overlooked in comparison to unneeded, 'trendy' designer mutts.

Some BREEDS are made this way. Seriously, guys. How do you think the Cavelier King Charles was made?
Out of the English Toy Spaniel.
How was the ETS made?
The Japanese Chin and the Pekengese.
Though I don't approve of the 'Doodles' I do approve of some dogs.

The issue isn't about the development of legitimate (or soon-to-be) breeds with a purpose, it's about those that are simply being overbred because they're cute little puppiesh... so-called 'designer dogs' like puggles or labradoodles, for example. No one is saying that working on or bettering a breed is wrong - those -should- be the only kind of breeders; the ones who care about doing good in the dog/showing community. BYB's who are just in it to make a buck is what we're opposing.

Well ; Im just saying. Some are accidents, you know. Accidents people liked, and decided to better. Who are we to judge that they aren't trying to stablize a 'Labradoodle' breed to better it?

There is talk of Labradoodles becoming a real breed in GENERATIONS to come, but that's because they serve a purpose and that purpose is to be a good guide dog. However, at the moment we have several Retriever breeds, different types of poodle etc. that are excellent guide dogs. And until the Labrador/Poodle mis becomes a real breed "breeders" shouldn't be scamming people out of their money and, well, doing everything I listed in the original topic.

Ugh, I hope they don't make the "Labradoodle" a rea dog breed. They're nothing more than mutts and should not be considered a purebred dog.

And I agree totally with your topic. Not only can't I stand designer dogs, but I also can't stand the stupid name people give these mutts.

And why breed mutts when you can find them right in the shelter? So many shelter animals just don't get a chance. People just want to pay a buttload of money for one of these mutts from a breeder because they *think* that they're better dogs. But I prefer shelter dogs anyday, haha. I would never even think about buying a designer dog breed.

haha totally agree Banshee .. and exactly.. you can find a perfectly good dog in a shelter instead of spending the money of a price of a pure bred dog!!!!!! like come on!.. Just like Kazzy said they're scamming people out of money.. and more shocking.. i went to pet stores and i find them there for the price of 999$ -.-' .. and on top of that.. now there are BOOKS on these dogs.. as if they're a real breed.. and they won't be a breed because all they are is a labrador and poodle so it wouldn't work .. well hope not .. and couldn't agree more with you i'd get a shelter pup/dog any day then an ugly looking thing that are a supposed breed and pay the price for a purebred.. my dog Mocha is pure bred and she was under 900 like COME ON!!!

Wow I totally agree with you...if you want to buy a "designer breed" (AKA a MUTT) then go to a shealter...don't fuel the horific fire of puppy mills. There's a pet store in my mall that sells dogs for 1,800-3,500$$!! (about 1,248 to 2,426 pounds.) Not only are these puppies kept in cramped conditions with FOUR to FIVE puppies per cage, they also eat there own feces (which is regular for some dogs I know...but a pet store should NEVER let it get to the case where puppies can eat there own feces) which is the biggest way to spread diesis and worms.

And if I'm in the mall from 9am to 7am I noticed they only feed the puppies ONCE a day. This is ABSALUTLY unexceptable! Puppies need to be fed THREE to FOUR times a day, not ONCE. Some of the puppies get such little human contact they shake when being adopted And trust me, it's not an excited shake, it's a terrified shake. There is florecent lighting above each puppy cage (each cage is only about 2.5 feet btw) and I can't imagine that's healthy for the puppy. The puppies have 0-1 toy per cage for 4 puppies. I've also seen puppies vomit & eat it...it is normal behavoir to eat their vomit, but puppies shouldn't be vommiting. I just hate it...it's so sick! If I could close that place down, I would in a heartbeat. all it's doing is giving money to those sick puppy mills.

I agree with you Kazzy. Some of these designer dogs are really just for looks, nothing more. Remember (I think this was a couple years ago) when there was a whole chihuahua craze because a few celebrities had them? And you know what happened to many of them? The exact same thing that is happening with the designer dogs you were talking about. Some people didn't know how to handle them and many were abandoned or put to sleep.

While I don't have a dog, if my parents decided to get one, I would insist on adopting one from a shelter and save one more dog from being put down.

I'm with you guys, but what if somone is looking for something specific, and they go to a shelter and adopt instead and the dog isn't what they wanted? Then it's back in the same situation.

Me myself, I rescue dog upon dog, I have six! Only one the result of a breeder! But dogs keep showing up or people keep calling me tellling me a dog needs a home..
My own dog is what I cvall a schmorkie, A Schnauzer Maltese Yorkie, but it was a result of an accidental breeding, so..
I don't beileve it's fair to judge a breed in-progress until you absolutely see what it's becoming..

The thing is, these AREN'T breeds in progress. The American Kennel Club (and several others, if I'm not mistaken) have already denied them and told them that these designer dogs will never become official breeds because all they really are is a hybrid between two different breeds, a mix. They are not being bred for a specific purpose (i.e. to drive cattle, herd sheep, hunt rabbits and foxes, keep vermin out, pull sleds, etc.) and are only being bred for pleasure, thus they cannot become a true breed.

Please understand, Kazzy is just trying to inform everyone that these dogs are not and will never be considered pure bred and that the people who breed them only breed them for profit, unlike real breeders who breed to better the dog (fit more closely to the breed standard as defined by the AKC and the other kennel clubs) and make it more efficient at its original (and oftentimes current) purpose. The people who breed these "Pugles" (PoodleXPug) and other mixed breed dogs, calling them designers, are only in it for the money, and while you're supporting someone who is only concerned for your money, other good rescue dogs and shelter dogs are euthanized. Often you can even get a much better dog from a shelter (better temperment, though it may take some training like ANY dog) and for much cheaper, with all of its vaccinations already (depending on the age) and already spayed/neutered! What a deal!

And yes, if they adopt a dog they really don't want, then that was their mistake. If you simply don't want the dog, then you have no business adopting it. End or story on that part. And accidental breedings do happen, which is how we get shelter dogs. It happens, and we're not condemning accidental breedings. We're saying that the continued breeding of these mixed breed dogs for a profit is WRONG.

Some one has finaly posted this yes puppy mills/farms (whatever people call them) are terrible though this this wont complely stop them it inform members of the bs comunity.As for the kennel club I have strong views on that matter but i wontpost them here.I actualy fell out with someone because there dog was "an official pedigree" while they made my mongrel out to be something terrible because he isnt kennel club registered,so basicly im pretty much against the KC but good article anyway.

Someone may have made your dog out to be a mongrel, but that doesn't mean you should hate everyone who is involve din the kennel club just because of one persons actions.