My theory about Kovu's father and all Lion King plot holes etc.

MY theory is that after Scar took over the Pridelands, he attempted to find a queen that would get him the leftover devotion of the Pride-landers . Scar decide to chose his fanatical follower, Zira.

Zira and Scar had to cubs, the first born being unnamed (by the movie creators), and a second, Nuka. However the first born was next inline for the throne, and any of his offspring, and so on. Nuka would only have a shot if the first born died before mating.

But Scar had more troubles, Zira was out of control, and in the view of the Pride-landers (but mostly the Hyenas) she was a terrible queen. When Scar tried to take Nala as his next queen, she ran away, and in her place, Sarafina became his queen, and quite reluctantly had a cub named Vitani, technically making Nala and Vitani half sisters.

The unnamed cub mated with an unnamed lioness and had Kovu, the second in line according to Scar. Nuka resented Kovu as a result.

Sarafina might have felt so depressed and guilty for having a cub with Scar, she ran away. Sarabi later went looking for her- which explains both of their absences in the second film. With Sarafina gone, Vitani had no mother, and Zira took her in as a result. Because she was such a young age, Vitani believed Zira was her birth mother.

With Simba's return, Scar was killed, though Zira, and about eight other lionesses were out hunting at the time. Upon their return, the discovered that Simba had ascended to the throne. Zira convinced the other lionesses of Simba`s treachery. They ganged up and killed Simba and Nala`s first cub, Kopa.

In shock and outrage, Simba banished Zira, but not before an altercation with Scar's unnamed cub. (probably along the lines of who would be next in line, or if Scar's word had any meaning). Simba ended up killing Scar's son. Simba then decided that no one related to Scar could be trusted.

He banished Kovu, Nuka, and Vitani into the care of Zira and the other co-conspirators.

Simba and Nala then had a second cub, Kiara. Still fearful of the evil of the outsiders, Simba became a paranoid parent.

I've put a lot of thought into this theory, so hope it helps resolve the confusion.

Be sure to add to my theory if you wish, I am open to new ideas.

"The truth is out there" ( the X-files)

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Kovu is Zira's son. Kovu is not Scar's son. The theory by K&K is very
plausible. As I recall, in some part, Zira states that Kovu is her son
"Haven't you met my son Kovu?". And also, Nuka couldn't be Kovu's
brother any other way "You killed your own brother!" because "Kovu
Kovu Kovu, Scar wasn't even his father, he just took him in." Sure
there are plotholes... many plotholes. But that is exactly what the
characters say, have seen both movies X number of times, of 30, I
used to watch it every day when I was 8, and I still watch it once a
month or two, I know almost every line off by heart, so challenge me
if you dare.

i think kovu isn's scar or zira's cub I think his parents died a few
days after he was born & he was adopted & raised by scar & zira

i agree with you

well what if zira had mated with another lion and then broke
up with him and then just started to meet scar at the end of
tlk1

well then that was obviosly why its a deleted scene then.

It never said that Scar and Zira were mates but I actually
do believe they were mates.

Well, maybe Scar and Zira found abandoned Kovu when he was a
little cub in the desert or in another place. they saved him
and Scar decided to adopt Kovu as his own son(That's my
theory).
*I don't think Zira was Kovu's mother.
Some fans may agree with me and some may not.
Does
anybody here agree with me??

Hmmm, thinking with logic, I could say that nobody was
thinking about making TLK2:SP when TLK1 was made, so they
had to force the arguement a little bit, and that's why
there are so many "no-answered questions" between both
movies.

HOWEVER, I have a theory: may be
Scar was thinking of Nuka as his heir, but Nuka wasn't
exactly what Scar expected, so Scar told Zira that the next
male cub she had would be his true heir. Shortly after that,
Scar died, so Zira had to mate another lion to keep her
promise. In other words, Kovu didn't meet Scar, but he had
been chosen even before being born.

"Who is
Kovu's father?" I HAVE NO IDEA

Well probably Scar actually mated with Zira and then Zira
became pregnant with Kovu so Scar WAS his father but then
Scar died before Kovu was born.

I think that Disney was very aware of the discrepancy they
were creating when they made sure to tell us that Kovu was not actually Scar's heir. You see, it would have been very
simple to just say that Vitani, Nuka, and Kovu were all
Scar's cubs, and would have left fewer 'logic' problems to
solve if they had just done this. So why didnt' they? Disney
knew that their young (and older) audiences would probably
make the connection that Kiara and Kovu were cousins (thus
inbreeding) if they did leave it, so they conveniently
changed that little detail to assuage the audience's 'moral
sensibilities.' It may have originally been that Scar was
supposed to be Kovu's father, but at the last minute someone
realized the boo-boo, and pointed out what the implications
of this could mean. Disney of course wouldn't want to open
up this can of worms. For all intents and purposes, it's a company that doesn't want
a lawsuit on its hands that pins them down for
'psychological trauma' or any nonsense of that sort. Which is really amusing to me when I think of how parents read the watered-down versions of Grimm's fairy tales on a regular basis to their children, most of which include allusions to cannibalism, murder, or some other unforgiveable that we are consciously not shielding our children from.

So as a side note in the hopes of furthering
understanding, I would just like to add this piece of info
for those of us that have never had access to it.

The marriage between cousins up until present day
in technologically advanced societies like America and
Europe hasn't always been seen as something bad. It is a
long, even time-honored tradition that came about due to
geography. Most people were born, lived, and died within a
few miles of the place that they grew up, and rarely
traveled before cars, airplaines, etc. were created.
Therefore, when choosing marriage partners, people would
marry their distant or even first cousins (who were usually
within a close radius of them). In many instances, it was
considered better to marry 'family' than a stranger. Also,
in short, the genetic defects that possibly accompany the
union of two cousins is statistically only slightly higher
than if two unrelated people were to marry. If you want to
look at it this way, inbreeding (not 'incest' per say, or
the mating of fathers with daughters, etc.) has been a
biological asset until just recently has become obsolete. It
is still practiced in many countries that are less
technologically advanced. As our modes of travel changed
(and things such as airplanes could take a man for Germany
to England in just a few hours) the need for marrying
relatives lessened, as unrelated 'gene pools' from all parts
of the world became available to us.

Sorry to
get into the history of the 'morality' and biological
significance of marrying cousins, but I wanted to be sure to
share it with those that would appreciate this different
standpoint rather than the run-of-the-mill 'marrying cousins
always bad' idea that our minds have been ingrained with
recently. I hope to not offend anyone.

i agree with kapu

I can easily believe that Zira and/or Scar would cubnap Kovu from another pride. Scar was Nuka and Vitani's father, but Kovu was "taken in". Or maybe stolen... we may never know... he could have just been an abandoned cub they took in.

this means that kovu is a little older than kiara.

Yeah..*sighs* just a screw up in the movie...

I'm sticking with the belief that Kovu was born to rogue lions.

I've said this Before, But I think Kovu was Cubnaped from another Pride shortly after Vitani was born so nether Kovu or Vitani know that Zira is not Kovu's Mother. Also Even if one Male is more dominat than the other in a Pride all Males are allowed to mate with The Lionesses

"and I his beloved queen"

Doesn't say anything about the past, only the future. The quote doesn't rule out the possibility, but it doesn't do well to enforce it.

no, it actually DID say she was his mate

i agree

The thing is the cut scene actually doesn't say Zira is Scar's mate. Zira states that she will be his loving devoted queen. There's no denying Zira is obsessed with Scar and wants to be his queen but there's no indication that she is or was and there's nothing saying that Scar loved her back. I think Zira is just a obsessive fan-girl