Troll, I think someone here thinks to be in the center of attention and needed someone to spit on you happened to be on her way!

well said Naegi, well said. It's all true

The only thing I recall was filling a pairing meme on TLKS where I said I don't like TojoXSimba pairing and closing your stupid rant in questions section. I must be SOOO BAAD. Just like Naegi said.
Like.Totally.

I'm not feeling like repeating Cheyanne and Herobine about the rule neither. Everything is stated clearly.

idk, troll is a big bad evil mod who lives off of everybody's tears apparently

Tojo, she had posted this way before you began to post images of Aleu x Niju, and Kodi x Dusty pairings. This is nothing personal really.

I just find it highly suspicious that right after I start posting Aleu X Niju fanpups and Kodi X Dusty images, AND after she openly bashed my images of such, that she decides to put restrictions on what kind of fanpups you can make for who. A lot of stuff recently that she's been doing hints that she has a personal vendetta against me because I ship odd pairings and make fanbabies for them. I could be wrong, but it's VERY suspicious.

@TojoXSimba,

What line did Troll say she was making this a direct rule?

"A lot of people here like making characters who are pups of Aleu and Niju, Kodi and Dusty etc. Those pairings are NOT canon. It is possible but it must be explained somehow how the two became mates/had pups (either with an explanation in the bio or link to a fanfiction). Non explained pairing kids will be seen as AU and will not be allowed."

Cheyanne: Here Troll explains the people are making fan puppies of two characters, yet people don't explain how/why those two got together.

"You can ship whoever you want, but following the "DO NOT change the events that happened in an explicit way in the movies" as written in the rules, instead of writing "he's the son of Jenna and Kaltag" like it was something obvious, just include a short explanation like "Jenna broke up with Balto and became mates with Kaltag". That's perfectly enough."

Cheyanne: Self-Explanatory..


Cheyanne: THIS IS THE ONLY NEW RULE STATED CLEARLY! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER SHIPPING!!


"I'd also like to remind you that character rules are more important than character tags. even if there is "not Balto related" tag, it is outdated and unrelated characters are not allowed anymore."


TOJO@ If you need some other explanation. Have a peek at this rule.

-Do not create an alternative story of the movie.
Your character can be introduced without even taking part of importants events of the movie. They just can have a relation with official characters, but DO NOT change the events that happened in an explicit way in the movies. (for example : telling that a character is alive after the movie when in fact this character is explicitly dead in the end of the movie. A fan character can kill an official one after the events that happened in the movie).

You're blowing this way out of proportion, Tojo, she did NOT say that you can't ship whomever you want, She just clearly states that you at least have to give out a good explanation of why the couple are together in your fandom.

Wait, you're actually making this a rule? No. Not okay. If we want to make Aleu X Niju pups, we have every right to. It won't end the world, it won't kill anybody, it's not against the law. You can BAWWW all you want, but that doesn't give you the right to change the rules just because YOU don't like something. And sticking to canon makes this entire source lose it's meaning. This is a FAN site, which means people can do whatever they want with the characters.

holy hraka, I'm out
this is idiotic

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Troll: Any pairing pups/kids/whatever that aren't in-canon are ACTUALLY Alternate-Universe, explained or not, if only because they aren't part of canon. I'm just stating that even with the explanations, the offspring characters that you're saying are allowed actually AREN'T because of your own rule. Heck, even the other in-canon kids would be AU in a way because we don't know if they would actually ever happen [save for Balto and Jenna's first litter; any others would be and should be AU]. Again, this is just my opinion.

Basically, this rule shouldn't have been added to begin with. It was confusing and still is. Let the fans be free to be CREATIVE fans, darn it. I understand that you need rules to control the quality of fan characters that get posted to the site, but they shouldn't be so darn complicated like you've [the mods, or whoever made the rule in actuality] made them.

But as of right now, I'm done with this discussion and I'm sure you're done too. It's already way too confusing and I'm just going to go back to doing what I love to do as a creative Balto fan. I'll keep my different couplings and you can keep supporting whatever canon ones you think are canon. This isn't meant to be drama; this is more of my expression of what the fans on this site deserve to be able to do with the fandom they support by making their own timelines and adding new characters that mesh with the official ones. That's all.

- Juuchan17

~ Exactly my point. As said, I'm with Troll.

I don't see what are you fussing about now. AU characters are not allowed, other AU works are allowed (fics, images). I'm NOT the one who's making up rules nor any other mod is. Want a non-canon ship kid? Explain how they became mates and this will be okay. If you make up things that happened after or before the movies, it's not AU. So what's the problem here?! I find your picking and arguing if canon ships are actually canon pretty pointless.

~ I wasn't talking down to you, I was stating clear facts. Characters may take a huge role here, but most have nothing to do with Balto, so they shouldn't be up here. Characters of such a nature belong on DeviantART.

Troll: Because it DOES, in my opinion. I feel that these "non-canon" couplings basically lead to potentially AU things, if only because we honestly don't know what happens after the end of WoC. Same goes for actual canon pairings too - we don't know if Dusty and Ralph actually did anything or if it's merely just a friendship-turned-slight-romance-that-leads-to-nothing relationship [because those exist] and the same goes for Boris and Stella [though I think Stella would have wanted to make goslings, if you know what she's implying *wink-wink*].

But whatever. Do what you want. You're a higher-up member of this site than I am, but I'm just standing up for the fans, since this is a "fan-site" after all. I just wish that these more detailed explanations for the rules were added before the backlash started, that's all.

Dovahkaaz: Don't talk down to me and think that I can't read. I know that it says "Characters", but characters are a major part of fanworks, as well as the site in a whole [if done correctly, mind you; also the fans like the characters too, so they want to read/see their fave fan-characters on things as well as the canon stuff]. Heck, I'm sure we can think of a couple of fan characters that have assisted in making this site as popular as it is [and I'm sure you think it's the actual Balto trilogy that brings people here most of the time, right?]. Again, this is just my opinion and since we're allowed to speak out about these things, I'm just doing my job as a long-time member of this site.

- Juuchan17

~ Sorry, but I'm with Troll on this one. She has already said various times that this section is only for characters, while you're talking about all fanworks. Tsk Tsk. The title even clearly states this is for characters. .-.

You are complicating everything Juuchan. You can submit whetever you want. The post is just about characters, NOT fanarts/fan images (where AU is allowed). If you agree about non-canon couple offspring explanation then why are you still going with "taking fan from fanworks, we can't submit fan theories and pairings etc." while it was said countless times this has nothing to do with it.

I'm here for the drama. :3

*noms on popcorn*

Took the words right out of my mouth, Juuchan, and I'm in total agreement with you.

Troll: I disagree. Confirmed is NOT canon. It is merely something that was cut from the final film.

However, about the offspring of non-canon couples, I will say this: Just like you said earlier, if it's explained in their bio [or fanfic, as most of them should be], then it should be allowed, as long as explanation is well-defined as how the coupling came to pass. I have Aleu x Niju artwork and images of them together and with pups, and I do have detailed articles about the coupling. I just don't want to have to edit and have to write a fanfiction right now that explains how they ended up together and such. I even have some "what-if" stories in the works, though now I'm wondering if I should or will be able to post it on here, due to the non-canon coupling I flesh out within it.

I'm not trying to completely fight you on the decision, Troll. It's mainly that, as a fan of Balto that enjoys following my own fan-canon of what happens after WQ and WoC [for Aleu and Kodi, respectively], I, as well as many other fans don't want to have to revamp our fan-canons because Kodi x Dusty isn't canon in your [read: the Mods/the director/whomever else has Word of God power for the sequels, I dunno] eyes.

I'm just saying, don't take the "fan" out of "fanworks", and to me, this includes fan-pairings and the offspring that they may [though it's most likely] create.

- Juuchan17

Confirmed=canon. You don't have to pick at every little detail now. How many times need to be said that nobody is "taking your freedom" You can ship a darn Nava and Dixie together, just don't make their offspring profiles like it was an obvious canon couple.

juuchan is preaching the truth

Badge: It's not something that degrades anyone, but I just mean it simplifies things so that everyone can understand it. Sorry if I confused you in any way with that term!

Mods: ...Also, I still think Dusty x Ralph doesn't count as a canon couple, as it wasn't stated IN MOVIE that they were - one little scene of a nuzzle and a reaction doesn't cut it. The director may say that they are, but if it's not mentioned directly [or made known] in film, it doesn't and shouldn't count as canon. That's just how I feel, as most fans of the worst movie in the trilogy [my opinion, not yours] may not know or care about this added thing.

However, the shipper fans should be able to have the freedom to ship [or couple] whomever they wish. It is our freedom and right as fans of the series, regardless if the characters ever meet in canon or not. Don't take that freedom completely away, please.

- Juuchan17

Dumb things down? What's that's suppose to mean?

Troll: Then I suggest that this be added to the rules that you just mentioned, except explain it in a better detail than what's on there right now. Remember, not everyone online that makes fan characters is as smart as you are - sometimes you have to dumb things down so that EVERYONE can understand your reasonings and misconceptions won't ensue like they have right now.

This is just a suggestion and my two cents on the issue. Thanks for FINALLY explaining what the reasons were, though this should have been done initially when you made the announcement in the first place.

- Juuchan17

I was just following Blaze's example on MLP Source.

You can kill Balto and make Jenna mate with Niju for all I care. The only thing we ask for is to make a little explanation why characters suddenly became mates while the movie clearly shows they are not. following the "DO NOT change the events that happened in an explicit way in the movies" as written in the rules, instead of writing "he's the son of Jenna and Kaltag" like it was something obvious, just include things like "Jenna broke up with Balto and became mates with Kaltag". That's perfectly enough.

no rules where 'added' this was a reminder as we have seen non-canon stuff allot latley (and mlps needed to be clear what is counted as canon)


the rules have not changed since the over haul ,we just choose to remind people when we see a mass of it.

No. But... "It's only to prevent characters like, "I'll make a kid of Jenna&Kirby because they're cute together."" would have been more than explanatory.

As far as AU characters are concerned, if they're connected to the official characters, with proper explanation, why shouldn't they be allowed.

Gyus, stop freaking out.
It's only to prevent characters like "I'll make a kid of Jenna&Kirby because they're cute together". Nothing was said that you can't make them, but is some explanation of a non-canon pairings really too much?

It was obviously a sarcastic and overly-dramatic comment, it was meant to be xD but yeah I agree with you.