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Well, this isn't exactly something that's been happening a lot lately or anything, but I've been seeing it around for a while and it's REALLY starting to irritate me.

Yes, this topic has to do with renders and blanks. I know that can be a bit of a sensitive topic to some members, so let me start off with this disclaimer: this topic is not meant to degrade and insult people who render or make blanks. I am not trying to call them horrible people/artists/whatever or any other name. This is merely a rant about one particular behavior that some of them exhibit--not about them as people.


So. Rendering. Say what you will, supporters, but all this is would be a glorified form of tracing. Is tracing in and of itself bad? Not necessarily. As a friend of mine put it, "[he] would have a hard time lambasting a kid in the corner of a library [tracing] with a Disney magazine, a notebook and a pencil." But here's the catch: that kid probably isn't going to go about posting that tracing online and claiming it as his own. He's not going to make a free lineart out of it and demand credit. That is where the problem lies.

Guys, I'm sorry, but I really don't think you deserve to be credited for your blanks. If you want to freehandedly draw a free lineart, that's fine, claim all the credit you want. It's your art to do what you want with. But with these "blank renders"? Honey, all you did was trace a screenshot. That is NOT your art to give away for free. Not to mention that ANYBODY could just go and trace it for themselves. (And don't give me that crap about "If you don't think renders take skill, go look at so-and-so's images!" Yes, some people can pull off a better outcome than others, but anyone can still do it! And regardless of how pretty someone can make their render look, it still isn't their own art.)

While "regular" renders don't apply to this particular rant quite as much as the blanks do, it still bugs me when people get so possessive over them. So you worked so hard on tracing that screencap? Well, big whoop; you can do something that a kid can do. Don't we dare try to steal or trace over your precious work? Newsflash: you traced over someone else's work in order to make it. Which is pretty much art theft, sorry to say. You are in no place to tell someone else not to.


Again, I'm not trying to condemn those who render. But seriously, guys. This is ridiculous.


Thanks for reading.

I agree with you. The people who trace screenshots don't fully own the renders.
Plus, shouldn't render makers credit the film company for the renders they traced? Because if they didn't credit the film company, wouldn't it be illegal? o_O

Now, this caught my eye because - as a renderer myself, I gracefully acknowledge that it's tracing xD - I have a catch. Now, I'm sorry to post on a two-month-old topic >_< But, how do you feel if a renderer was to, say, cut together different parts of different images, creating a completely new pose? That takes time and effort.

But yeah, I'm personally pretty lenient with renders - the exceptions are ones that were edited to have different backgrounds and physical features. (I.e. genderbending a lioness.)

...What?

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm just wondering what other peoples' view is on renders that I've recently learned to make, cutting together images.


...I don't even know any Southwestern users, as far as I know! I do hope you aren't implying that I point fingers. I'm not that kind of person. I only know two other members with the capabilities.

I'm aware that recolours are tracings and they shouldn't be posted as art and replace actual artwork. Anyways I said my opinion about recolours in another old topic here and I don't really wish to repeat myself. If we had to talk about it, then again, the whole site is in fact illegal.


Of course I will give credits if I use lineart of someone I know. I just find it a little disrespectful to avoid giving credits on purpose because of my personal preferences, but I don't think people should demand credits on traced linearts anyway.
I know I once fliped over people not giving credits to my bases, but I realized it was stupid. Now I reuploaded them and I could care less if anyone uses or redistributes them, but I wouldn't be happy to see someone claiming them as their own. Not because I made them but because those are not their works too. Additionaly, I was always against using other people's linearts (either drawn or traced) on point/paid commissions. It's like maiking money on someone else's work.

Well, I didn't even know Nattikay may have been referring to you, Feathervenom. I was actually inferring someone else in my comment which was mysteriously deleted (for which I have a log of items to send to steet about this particular rules-violating moderator).

But yes, what I SAID was that I wondered if it were a certain member from southwestern Europe who was complaining that another person should have given credit for something that, as Natti said, amounted to nothing more than a tracing of an existing screen shot. lol Which is ridiculous.

Ohhhh, no, no, no, no. I thought you were talking to me xD I am in no way involved. Sorry xD

No worries at all, Feathervenom. It was just a little misunderstanding. We're good, you and I.

I Agree with this post. Rendering in itself , Is a form of Art theft. People Who Worked Hard on These movies Used There Art Skills. People don't realize that You May not be Stealing ones Art like SliverDeni For Example , But you Still are Stealing Universal's or Disney Animators Oringnal Art.