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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:51 pm 
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I have been reading a lot of suggestions and rants lately, and I have seen many, many complaints about what AS is becoming. I never really paid attention to all of these issues before, preferring to just stick with roleplaying forums and letting the rest of the site go on without me paying attention to it. Now that I am starting to actually feel like a senior member, I thought it time I started caring, hence why I have been reading through the most recent rant and suggestion topics.

A trend that I have noticed often suggested is that this site needs more moderators. For those who don't know, AS used to have a lot more mods until they got out of hand and started bullying members and trolling the site. I am not an expert on exactly what happened, but I do know that it ended with Steet firing all the mods and hiring a few new ones. And by a few, I mean way less than is required for a site that has grown as huge as AS has.

I am not quite sure how many mods there are nowadays, but there still seems to be the need for at least a couple more. Just looking at the past few rants, more dedicated mods could really make on improvement. Mightybalto's topic on members creating too many characters: this really needs more supervision, but sorting through so many bad characters will take time that the current mods don't have. Sakujo's complaint about the must-see images: mods deal with so much that they don't have time to search for really good images and drawing that deserve attention. Even my own topic about the lack of good roleplaying: more mods to over-see the forums in general couldn't hurt.

I know that trust was lost when some of the old mods abused their power, but I think that there a plently of members on AS that really want to help out the site and definately wouldn't abuse their power. But how do we find those people? Just like any other job! An application!

I think that AS should start a mod application to help sort through the people who want to moderate because of the status and power and those who would really bring improvement. There should be requirements met before even being able to apply, though, like a member having to be a certain age and having been a member for so many years. They should have to write a short essay on why they want to become a moderater. It should also include what site they spend the most time on and what section of the site they are morst familiar with and would want to moderate the most.

I know that this process isn't perfect, but I think something needs to be done. I also believe that a few select mods should have more power over the site so that they can help Steet run this site. A lot of suggestions seem to end with "It doesn't matter what we think. Steet will not listen and won't do anything about it." Well, I think that if Steet won't do it, give someone who will do something the power to actually do it.

What is everyone's feeling on this? Do you think it would work or be a complete fail? I really want to hear people thoughts on this!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:49 pm 
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I have been reading a lot of suggestions and rants lately, and I have seen many, many complaints about what AS is becoming. I never really paid attention to all of these issues before, preferring to just stick with roleplaying forums and letting the rest of the site go on without me paying attention to it. Now that I am starting to actually feel like a senior member, I thought it time I started caring, hence why I have been reading through the most recent rant and suggestion topics.

A trend that I have noticed often suggested is that this site needs more moderators. For those who don't know, AS used to have a lot more mods until they got out of hand and started bullying members and trolling the site. I am not an expert an exactly what happened, but I do know that it ended with Steet firing all the mods and hiring a few new ones. And by a few, I mean way less than is required for a site that has grown as huge as AS has.

I am not quite sure how many mods there are nowadays, but there still seems to be the need for at least a couple more. Just looking at the past few rants, more dedicated mods could really make on improvement. Mightbalto's topic on members creating too many characters: this really needs more supervision, but sorting through so many bad characters will take time that the current mods don't have. Sakujo's complaint about the must-see images: mods deal with so much that they don't have time to search for really good images and drawing that deserve attention. Even my own topic about the lack of good roleplaying: more mods to over-see the forums in general couldn't hurt.

I know that trust was lost when some of the old mods abused their power, but I think that there a plently of members on AS that really want to help out the site and definately wouldn't abuse their power. But how do we find those people? Just like any other job! An application!

I think that AS should start a mod application to help sort through the people who want to moderate because of the status and power and those who would really bring improvement. There should be requrements ment before even being able to apply, though, just as a member having to be a certain age and having been a member for so many years. They should have to right a short essay on way they want to become a moderater. It should also include what sight they spend the most time on and what section of the site they are more familiar with and would want to moderator the most.

I know that this process isn't perfect, but I think something needs to be done. I also believe that a few select mods should have more power over the site so that they can help Steet run this site. I lot of suggestions seem to end with "It doesn't matter what we think. Steet will not listen and won't do anything about it." Well, I think that if Steet won't do it, give someone who will do something the power to actually do it.

What is everyone's feeling on this? Do you think it would work or be a complete fail? I really want to hear people thoughts on this!

Thanks for reading!


I agree with this completely, a mod should have to fill out a application. A mod should also be 18 + years old. AS doesn't need a bunch of kids doing a job that they're not mature enough to do. They don't realize there is more to the job other than activating and deactivating things; I'm speaking from experience. Like you said, the member should also be a member who has been on the site for awhile. They should have been a member for 1 year minimum.

I am against the idea of having "more power" mods on the sites. If you're meaning admins, that's not a good idea. If the power is given to the wrong hands, it could be a disaster. I should think if that there were to be admins, the person needs to have demonstrated their worth as a admin. They should then have to agree not go out of line, and if they do there will consequences.

Unfortunately, I have my doubts that Steet will ever do anything, I've lost hope in him. It shouldn't have to be that way, but it is. Only a miracle could make things better.

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 Post subject: Re: Moderater Application?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:45 am 
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Mightybalto1925 wrote:
Unfortunately, I have my doubts that Steet will ever do anything, I've lost hope in him. It shouldn't have to be that way, but it is. Only a miracle could make things better.


This is true. I think what made steet not listen to anyone anymore was because of all the changes he made to the site, and the uproars that came along with them. I guess he just didn't want to take it anymore, moved onto Talespin, and was obsessed ever since...

That point aside, I think this suggestion is a great idea. I feel that too many immature teens were running the site, and that's how it almost destroyed itself. Now a giant crater remains where all the hard work and dedication has been, and almost no one is willing to fix it. The new mods are doing fine now, but I also agree that we need more, especially since a few mods quit already. We need people who know this site best and are able to help whenever they can. I also agree with Mighty how they need to be at least 18 to do their job. Hopefully if this takes action there won't be any liars saying their 18, but are really 12 or something.

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Unfortunately, I have my doubts that Steet will ever do anything, I've lost hope in him. It shouldn't have to be that way, but it is. Only a miracle could make things better.


This is true. I think what made steet not listen to anyone anymore was because of all the changes he made to the site, and the uproars that came along with them. I guess he just didn't want to take it anymore, moved onto Talespin, and was obsessed ever since...


Steet has been glued to TSS since its existence, that's why things went down hill. AS is now in a pit it cannot get itself out of. It just slowly sinks.

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 Post subject: Re: Moderater Application?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:00 am 
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I am in favor of this, and for those who know me well enough, that's really saying something. I remember back in 2009, when Sources were beginning to be made left and right, Steet DID have an application (of sorts) that people had to go through. (It's still there, on the Balto Source Contests page...) That's how I initially became a mod, before admins and crap came about.

Anyway, I CAN see some downsides to this. As Imagine pointed out, there would be people who really weren't 18 and claimed they were. That said, there could be other things that they can lie about as well. (I AM in favor of the 18+ idea.)

Overall, I think it would still be worth it. I think there should be a limit to how many mods there can be at any given time. (No more than, say, 15. Just a number off the top of my head.) And during those times, an application can be sent, but no hiring will be done. In times that there are fewer than 15 mods, THEN Steet (and, just for the heck of hypothetical-ness, the other current mods) can look over the applications and choose a replacement.

Ah, the possibilities...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:28 am 
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While this idea is not a bad one in my opinion, you have to look at a few things first.

1: Who's going to be looking at the applications and deciding? Will it be steet? More than likely no since he's never around. And if it would be the current mods (and I'm accusing no one here) there's always the chance one of them would be overly biased or unable to make a fair decision.

2: And what about admins? Will there be administrator applications also? Some of the previous admins didn't really seem to care about the site they were doing the job for.

3: As far as the age limit is concerned, I don't think it should be limited to 18, but with exceptions. My reasoning behind this is because generally 18-25 year olds have lives, they're in college or work a job. Sometimes teenagers have more time to be on then college kids would. And with the amount right now, there's definitely a lot of time required if the changes suggested in other topics were made. I think giving it leeway to about 15 or 16. But monitor and study the applicants behavior first. It's not fair to some teens that actually are mature being judged because of the majority of bad ones. This is just my opinion I'm not bashing the 18 year old idea Lol, but then, there have been grown adults that act less mature than teens do.

4: Sometimes an application doesn't tell everything, I think there should be a time to watch the applicant (if the applications is one of the standouts). That way it goes through two filters instead of just one.

Again, this is just my opinion on the subject, I think most of these ideas are reasonable.

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 Post subject: Re: Moderater Application?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:36 pm 
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Now this, is a good idea. I'm not going to regurgitate what the people above have said so:

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While this idea is not a bad one in my opinion, you have to look at a few things first.

1: Who's going to be looking at the applications and deciding? Will it be steet? More than likely no since he's never around. And if it would be the current mods (and I'm accusing no one here) there's always the chance one of them would be overly biased or unable to make a fair decision.

2: And what about admins? Will there be administrator applications also? Some of the previous admins didn't really seem to care about the site they were doing the job for.

3: As far as the age limit is concerned, I don't think it should be limited to 18, but with exceptions. My reasoning behind this is because generally 18-25 year olds have lives, they're in college or work a job. Sometimes teenagers have more time to be on then college kids would. And with the amount right now, there's definitely a lot of time required if the changes suggested in other topics were made. I think giving it leeway to about 15 or 16. But monitor and study the applicants behavior first. It's not fair to some teens that actually are mature being judged because of the majority of bad ones. This is just my opinion I'm not bashing the 18 year old idea Lol, but then, there have been grown adults that act less mature than teens do.

4: Sometimes an application doesn't tell everything, I think there should be a time to watch the applicant (if the applications is one of the standouts). That way it goes through two filters instead of just one.

Again, this is just my opinion on the subject, I think most of these ideas are reasonable.


1) Lol, steet actually doing something? [/s] I dunno, one or two admins would probably take something like this on. I think that makes sense.
2) I doubt it, one of the main reasons you appoint an administrator is because you trust them. I doubt a simple application process would justify the appointment of an administrator.
3) I like this idea. I could understand a 16 or 17 year old having a higher level of maturity compared to some of the adults on Animation Source. I think this could be the sweet spot with regards to age.
4) Of course, I highly doubt they'd just do it based on application anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:26 pm 
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I completely agree that giving more power to the wrong people could end disasterously, but I also think that if we want to get this site back on its feet, it makes logical sense to give one or two more people the power to (for example) adding more fan character regulations or adjust the already created sites and even putting up new ones. I also think that maybe if there are two separate groups, one that makes new rules and another that enforces the warnings and bans, it would work the best. Or is that already how it is with the mod and admins? To tell you the truth, I really don't know the full extent of either of them or what the differenes are....

As for the exact age of the limit, I think about 16 would be okay. I originally was thinking of 18, but it is true that with how much goes on in life during that time, no 18+ year old is willing to give up their precious free time to moditor an animation site. Also, I actually think that a person should be a member for two or three years before being considered. The reason for such a long wait would be to root out any trolls or kids just listing their age as older. I think that longer they have to wait to reach a certain status, the less they are willing to lie so much just to mess with a site.

I think that having a limit on the number of mods is also a good idea. I think we've all seen what happens when there are too many and they all start to form groups and fight amongst each other. I have no idea how many mods would be ideal, but I definately think that the process proposed by Skulblaka would work.

Here are my ideas on Ancient Fairy Dragon's questions:

1. I think Steet should have some kind of say if he has the time. But I know that relaying on him doesn't always work, so I think it would have to be the current mods' decision. Maybe some kind of voting system that would help to weed out anyone just wanting to help out their friends? For an example, five mods have to approve an applicant before they are accepted as a mod. And if one mod really has something against an applicant, they can just bring it up to the others. There could be like an approve button that has to be clicked by five separate mods, and maybe even a disapprove button that, if 5 mods click on, deletes the application.

2. I don't really know what the role of an admin is... so maybe?

3. As I previously discussed, I would say the age limit should be 16+.

4. I definately agree with this! I think that after an application is accepted, that member should be promoted to "mod in training" or something like that. They would have all the powers of a mod but the other mods also can de-mod them if they get out of control or bully others. This time period should like for a month or two. That may seem really long, but that way there can be limited mistakes in giving power to someone who can't handle it. Also, it really shouldn't matter how long the "training period" is to someone who wants to be a mod for the right reasons.


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1) Lol, steet actually doing something? [/s] I dunno, one or two admins would probably take something like this on. I think that makes sense.
2) I doubt it, one of the main reasons you appoint an administrator is because you trust them. I doubt a simple application process would justify the appointment of an administrator.
3) I like this idea. I could understand a 16 or 17 year old having a higher level of maturity compared to some of the adults on Animation Source. I think this could be the sweet spot with regards to age.
4) Of course, I highly doubt they'd just do it based on application anyway.


1: Perhaps, but still, he was the one that demodded everyone in the first place. So it would make sense for him to have some amount of approval in order to prevent previously said situation from happening again right?

2: Point taken, perhaps someone should have to have been a mod for a certain amount of time before this is considered.

3: Thank you ^^

4: Yeah, but you never know.

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1. I think Steet should have some kind of say if he has the time. But I know that relaying on him doesn't always work, so I think it would have to be the current mods' decision. Maybe some kind of voting system that would help to weed out anyone just wanting to help out their friends? For an example, five mods have to approve an applicant before they are accepted as a mod. And if one mod really has something against an applicant, they can just bring it up to the others. There could be like an approve button that has to be clicked by five separate mods, and maybe even a disapprove button that, if 5 mods click on, deletes the application.

2. I don't really know what the role of an admin is... so maybe?

3. As I previously discussed, I would say the age limit should be 16+.

4. I definately agree with this! I think that after an application is accepted, that member should be promoted to "mod in training" or something like that. They would have all the powers of a mod put the other mods also can de-mod them is they get out of control or bully others. This time period should like for a month or two. That may seem really long, but that way there can be limited mistakes in giving power to someone who can't handle it. Also, it really shouldn't matter how long the "training period" is to someone who wants to be a mod for the right reasons.



1: Hmm, I like this idea, I think it would strike a balance between the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" idea.

2: Before the mass demoderation, almost all or most of the sources had an admin, a global mod and the lesser individual section mods. The admin had "control" over the specific site they were on, the ability to make someone a mod, demod, ban etc. The problem began when as more sources opened, more corrupt mods became admins or chose to work on upcoming sites with the goal of becoming an admin. It was purely a power race. Some, not all, didn't really even care for the movie the site was dedicated to, or just pretended to be. In this, I'm pretty much in agreement with Conay.

3: Eh, Works for me.

4: Completely agree.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:06 am 
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I think this is a great idea, though I entirely agree with AFD on this point:

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3: As far as the age limit is concerned, I don't think it should be limited to 18, but with exceptions. My reasoning behind this is because generally 18-25 year olds have lives, they're in college or work a job. Sometimes teenagers have more time to be on then college kids would. And with the amount right now, there's definitely a lot of time required if the changes suggested in other topics were made. I think giving it leeway to about 15 or 16. But monitor and study the applicants behavior first. It's not fair to some teens that actually are mature being judged because of the majority of bad ones. This is just my opinion I'm not bashing the 18 year old idea Lol, but then, there have been grown adults that act less mature than teens do.


I know a lot of people around my age who are highly responsible and mature, while at the same time I also know a lot of people who are 18 (or older) who are complete idiots and/or totally immature. I'm entirely for the application idea as well as the prospect that whoever decides to have a look at them also monitors the user's overall attitude around the sites and the forums. It is also an excellent idea to have a minimum on how long you have to have been on AS (3+ years as most of you have said). Though as for who would oversee these applications, I have no idea... since obviously steet doesn't answer pms nor does he really care much anymore... And the admins... I believe they should be "promoted moderators" in a way. Those moderators who prove time and time again that they are in it just for the site's well being should eventually be made the admin, not just someone who fills out the application.

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An application. lol Yeah, that'll go over big.

While I agree with it, I think it would depend upon what sort of information is being requested AND whom is checking and reviewing it (echoing the same concern posted earlier). Clearly we cannot depend upon steet to perform this task even though, realistically, it IS his to perform. And so whom would we trust to do that? And isn't that a tough decision in and of itself?

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:41 am 
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I completely agree. The situation is a very tough one to decide on considereing that, like you said, it would be Steet's job in theory, but he probably wouldn't do it. I have already given a pretty detailed description of my idea of how the applications should be looked over, but I do have to say there are still lots of flaws considering there aren't many mods and they are already dealing with a crap load of work and probably would dread looking over a bunch of applications. But I do think that my previous suggestion of so many mods approving or disapproving the applications would work after there were more mods. As for right now, I'm not sure who should look over the applications and decide who becomes a new mod.


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