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Okay, it's WildFire here, posting her propably first ever topic that actually involves conversation. But I thought I'd just have to share with you fellow fans something that has recently bugged me quite a lot. That's pretty much what the topic title says, it's about the two very different lions who yet look almost the same: Scar and Kovu.

I've been thinking about this ever since I watched the first Lion King a week or so ago, and though I've always thought Kovu and Scar look alike, now I paid more attention to Scar's looks and came to the conclusion that despite their body build, shapes, manes and age, they look almost identical. Sure, their colors are somewhat different; Scar's mane is clearly black and his fur color is a slight tone of red, while Kovu's mane is dark brown and his fur's more brownish than Scar's, but still, you can deny how much they look alike.

Let's just take a looksie;


And, we shouldn't of course forget about those certain lines in Simba's Pride which clearly state Scar is NOT Kovu's father.

Nuka: "Scar wasn't even his father."
Kovu: "He wasn't my father, but he was.. a part of me." (I think that's the line, LOL.)

So, yeah, I would completely understand if Scar truly was Kovu's father, but since they're not even in any way related to each other, why'd they have to be made look so identical? Were the animators supposed to make Kovu's design so similar to Scar's, or was that just completely unintentional? I'm totally aware that that there were different animators in the second movie, but still, come on.
Now, I think that about covers it. Is there anyone else who feels this way, or am I the only one? Come on, guys, share your opinions!

And, to quote the magnificent dragon from The Hobbit; "Come now, don't be shy."

I think is he show similatys to both Scar and Simba. If you look at his head structure it is smiler to both. Kovu's character is back and fourth. So yea he would have to be simalor in both ways.

No, WildFire, my friend, you are not the only one.



Kovu has no similarity to Simba, only to Scar. They're both Outlanders.

When I was a kid, and saw the first and probably only trailer for Simba's Pride, I automatically thought that Kovu was, in fact, Scar. (Hey, I was ten years old and didn't know any better!)

Now, while I am divided on whether or not Kovu could be Scar's son by another lioness not Zira, or as some fan bases would have it, Nala, and even though the movie, or some of the characters, Kovu himself included do say that Scar is not Kovu's father, I don't take the movie at face value.

It's just poorly done.

There are also just too many similarities, and since Kovu's name does mean 'scar', c'mon how could the creators of Simba's Pride be stupid enough, or ignorant, or both, enough to miss THAT?

Seriously!

The whole idea of Kovu's birth and heritage is open to interpretation. No one is right and no one is wrong, save the dialogue regarding Kovu and his 'parentage' in the movie.

At least know what you're going to do with a character you create and what your characters are going to do or say before they do or say it. Jeez! That's gotta be character creation 101!

No wonder many people - even The Lion King's animators and creators - don't consider Simba's Pride to be canon. And it's for reasons like this!

I still see more differences than similarities.
They have completely different build and mane style, which defines character the most. Many kiddos think it's all about colours and markings, but take the colours off and all their characters look identical...


They don't looks the same to me. They really don't...

Kovu was originally meant to be Scar's son and he had Scar's colours (more orange-ish brown fur and black mane).
Maybe he was chosen to be Scar's "true son" because of the similarities?

For one thing, I don't get why you would think that Kovu looks almost exactly like Scar, because really I don't see any resemblance at all. For one thing, They both have a different body build, another thing is, They have different shades of Browns for fur color as well as Mane color. There eyes are both Different shades of Greens, not to mention Kovu had a different personality then Scar as well as a Different mane style.

First off, Coolie, you didn't have to quote what WildFire said. We all know what she's saying.

Second, just because they have different builds and fur and mane color and personalities. Big deal. Simba didn't exactly have Mufasa's personality either and he, too, had a different mane and fur color than Mufasa.

Her point is, no matter what the film says, Scar COULD be Kovu's father.

Simba's Pride wasn't exactly made by people who knew what they were doing, let alone knew how to create completely fleshed out characters.

I see a few similarities. Kovu does really look like the son of scar. However they changed it due to Kiara being his mate in the future. I therefore see where your coming from and I also agree with you at this point.

First off, I had every right to do so, Two, I needed to see the images side to side in order to compare the two. You didn't have to be rude to me you know.

All right, I did not wish for this to become an arguing topic, I simply just wanted to hear people's opinions and see if others feel this way or not. Brown, Coolie, please cool it down. And frankly, no one was being rude in my view.

Jolteon - That's what I've been thinking, yeah. And Troll, I never had thought of it from that point of view. You're making a point there. Thanks for taking part in this conversation anyway.

Kovu could be Scar's son, or he couldn't.

Just because they're both brown doesn't mean they're related, right? As far as we know, in the Lion King universe, there could be a million brown lions. Does that mean they're all related? We ourselves create a lot of brown characters, yet with no connection to Scar or Kovu.

Even if they were related, I'm not really seeing the similarities. Because if you observe, even their basic face shapes are different, along with body build, mane styles and even colors.

Colors are just part of the topic. They do look similar, but it could be that Outlander nose, small pupils and chin fur. But even then, kovu and Scar have varying differences.

Still, it's your own view. Kovu could be related to Scar by some way, but according to me, he can't be Scar's son directly. I'd say something like maybe a grandson, or a nephew or something. But they're too different to be related directly.

^Of course, there are plenty of brown lions and I don't mean to say they all have to be related. Maybe, and this is just a speculation, the animators of Simba's Pride made Kovu look like Scar somewhat unintentionally, and then realized it which led them make him Scar's heir. Or, like you've brought out, he could be related to Scar in some way but I still very much doubt he is his son. But again, this is barely just speculation and I guess it's up to everyone to come with their own theories and perhaps that's exactly the reason it wasn't explained in the movie, to leave room for imagination and to keep up excitement for the viewers.

Isn't the rough similarity part of the plot point?

> An heir (not necessarily a son, though i always thought he was Scar's son) that looks like Scar

Isn't there a scene where Kovu looks into some water and he sees Scar staring back at him? It's been ages since i saw the movie but I seem to recall that it upset him.

> I think I read somewhere that Kovu was supposed to be Scar's son, but because of uh..issues with that and Kiara They changed it.

> There's a storyboard for the second movie that shows him looking A LOT more like Scar. He has the black mane and he's skinnier.
If I can find it, I'll post it here.

I remember that scene too, yes. And the moment Kovu sees Scar's reflection staring back at him, he runs away, clearly being not too happy about it. If you could find that storyboard I'd be extremely interested to see it!

Perhaps it was meant for Kovu to look like Scar for being his heir, but I'm not sure if he WAS originally supposed to be his son or not.

Ok... You do know that some people can be sensitive to things, Like me. I was only protecting my rights. I had every right to post what I did, and Brown had no right to question me the way they did.

Anyways, Kovu doesn't look anything like Scar really.

^And I never said you don't have a right to post what you posted, now did I? Yes, Brown could've maybe chosen her words more carefully. Still, I had nothing against your post whatsoever.