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...wow...
very deep topic. my views, is that suicide IS worse than murder. it's a terrifying state of mind that i've had the not-so-pleasant pleasure of wittnessing.
but it's a touchy subject i think. i'm still glad they kept it out. most times you see clips cut out of shows and what-not that you think should've or could've stayed in.
this is one of those rare-ities that i ACTUALLY agree with the deleted scenes. it IS a kid's movie (origionally anyway, face it, how many of us here are close to adults ), so it should stay as G to PG rated as possible. Suicide would just make it more complicated, at least for the supposed audience.


i however wouldn't have minded seeing bit with Rafiki in the movie. but again, it's doesn't really matter. didn't make such a difference anyway...

That is creepy, but I agree that it added that much more into who exactly Zira was. No offense, but all of the deleted scenes should have been in the 2-Disc Special Edition release . . . as long as someone mentioned the obvious reasons why they weren't included. (Like the "Another Cub" scene - Vitani and Nuka tell their mother about Kiara's ceremony, Kovu is first introduced, and the whole "Kovu is Scar's son" plot is mentioned. Perhaps that's why it was deleted?)

Still, that whole smile bit that Zira had when she eventually let go/fell . . . *shudders* In the final product, she did look scared as her claws slipped her further towards the rapids, but yeah. Suicide is baaaaaad.

- Juuchan17

scary OO" i'm glad it wasnt on the movie...

I haven't read the previous posts, so I don't know if what I'm about to say has already been said or not. Apologies.

In the original script, when Kiara asks Zira to hand her her paw, Zira smiles, says "No. Never!" and lets go, laughing on the way down. A smile is still visible in the final cut of the film.

Yes, it was considered too dark. But, honestly, it would have been better, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I guess. I liked it a lot but I'm not sure what some parents might think. Ya know..? But that smile was a piece of art. I get goosebumps everytime I watch it. Incredible...

I also watched that as well. It seem to dark for the main viewers of TLK(kids).

homicide and suicide are different. personally , i don't have a problem with zira doing suicide . it's not as dark as scar murdering mufasa , but still Disney , you should of put that in the movie.

^ "Not as dark"? Are you serious? You can't compare homicide and suicide and pick which is the lesser of two evils.
...just... no.

I also agree that suicide is less darker than murder. Since a person can choose rather they want to do it or not.

Suicide is a chosen act of murder on one self, so yes I'd also have to say it's less dark

I remember years ago before anyone knew about the deleted scene, many people on here always caught that zira looked like she was smiling when she fell in the water. I never saw a smile but when I saw the scene I have to say they did a real good job removing it unlike deleted scenes from movies like the land before time

It was kinda creepy when she said "No...never!"I saw the delted scene and I was like wow, she realy must love Scar. And yes, you got a good point there about removing deleted scenes well

makes me shiver xD I love the quote tho
my sister loves the "give me your paw" one but I love ziras xD

Other deleted scenes like kovu and the bug or the Raifiki in the tree after kiara is born should of not been deleted tho :/
Nukas last words makes since but I doubt kids would want to die to get their mom attention from watching it in a movie