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Balto Source newsNovember 21, 2010
Characters rules, and JerseyCaptain

Written by steet :



 

I will address here two of the main problems occuring with moderation on the site recently. I thought this was important enough to display this publicly.

First, the characters rules. As I said in a MASS PM sent to all the moderators, the only valid character rules are the ones written on the site (how are members supposed to know rules that are not visible to them?)
Now, I will request you to be more lenient when it comes to the rules. Everyone has different feelings on what SHOULD be allowed or not, so stick to what is CLEARLY written.

So yes, "Sparkle Dogs" should be allowed, because A LOT of people do like them. Cats characters on Balto Source should be allowed too, because A LOT of people can like seeing something more varied, a character that's not just another wolf or dog. (unless someone is not in good faith and is posting ONLY cats characters...) We can't just go and make a list of EVERY species that are allowed or not, on EVERY site.

In the long term, there will be categories, which will allow pretty much everything to be accepted, but put into different categories. So that each visitors can then filter the categories he/she doesn't want to see. (like sparkledogs or different species, for example) Because, after all, what is the REAL problem behind sparkledogs for example? It is that you DONT want to see them PERSONALLY. And again, each person has different views on what they want to see or not.
In the meantime, I'm asking the mods to be too restrictive on what is accepted.



As for JerseyCaptain issues with Togo : I have to admit all this gives me a headache. I did not answer on this yet because I wanted to take the time to read everything properly.
Yes, I'm still planning to add a better moderation system, with automated warnings etc...Until then, mods should either use the external forums, or the mods forums on each site to keep tracks of them.
JC's someone with very strong opinions, who sticks to them and always want to have the final word. And by doing so, he just irritates anyone who "dare" answer to his messages. JC, honestly, when you see that you're annoying most people, can't you just *drop it* and move to something else? It's also valid to the others. When you see a topic's going nowhere, wouldn't it to better to stop?

Come on people, you're supposed to have fun here! Not give headhaches to the others!!!

So here's what I think : yes, from what I read, JC's attitude deserved a ban. He can be very resourceful and posts very interesting articles, but when it comes to the forums, he just doesn't know when to END an argument. To his defense, I don't think he does that on "purpose" : he just doesn't realize how much his messages can get irritating.
My suggestion : now that it's clear to everyone, I will give him a last chance. Please do the necessary to remove all the warnings and the ban from him. But, at the very instant he gets into a new argument in a topic, this warrants a warning, and 3 warnings a ban. And if that happens, the ban should be on the forums only - not the site.
 




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November 21, 2010
Is not currently on the site
but it is his Job to listen to the members and fix their problems, if he can't handle it why did he make all the other sites?

November 21, 2010
Canada Female Is not currently on the site
The Runaway Wanderers Leader
Would you all quit yelling at Steet?! He is busy enough running the sources (along with living his life), so don't make this anymore difficult for him by telling him what to do!

November 21, 2010
Japan Female Is not currently on the site
Team Rocket
I'm disappointed in the decision to allow sparkledogs. Balto Source is getting much too lax and is losing the Balto part of Balto Source. It's turning into Original Character Source and is confirming what I thought for the longest time; the character section is the worst thing that has ever happened to the site.

I don't think majority rule should've been the deciding factor in allowing sparkledogs. It tells people that if they scream loud enough you'll bend over. And that's not how it works.

November 21, 2010
Usa Male Is not currently on the site
Don't do it, don't you do it..
No! Sparkle dogs HURT MY EYES! :cry:
Something happened with JC? Geez I've been gone so long...

November 21, 2010
Switzerland Female Is not currently on the site
Anastasia Admin
Along with what Aluna said, fix the ingore button for PM's to... (Please? Its rather useful)

November 21, 2010
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Sparkle dogs... Really Steet, really? Are sparkle dogs even considered DOGS? Sparkle dogs are nothing but nuisances and poison for your eyes. Now do you really want Balto Source overrun by that? I know I am in no place to speak, but as a member of this site I have a right to say this. Sure a lot of people like them, but just as much (maybe more) hate them. If they are used that much that you have to allow them. Why don't you just make a Sparkle Dog Source? Now allowing cat characters on Balto source, but isn't that what Lion King source is for? CATS? Next I suppose you'll allow horse characters on Balto Source, but wait.. that's what SPIRIT SOURCE is here for... Shocking right? So, why don't you make one huge source site combining everything together? As for Jersey Captain, I see nothing wrong with stating your own opinion and if he irritates you people so much.. Don't ANSWER his messages, if he flames you IGNORE IT. Street, maybe you should make some kind of button that allows members to IGNORE other members. Enough said.

November 21, 2010
Switzerland Female Is not currently on the site
Anastasia Admin
I'm honestly disgusted, and dissapointed. No words can describe it at this point. *Shakes head*

November 21, 2010
Canada Female Is not currently on the site
The Runaway Wanderers Leader
Yay! Sparkle-dogs are allowed!

November 21, 2010
Webmaster Canada Female Is not currently on the site
�quipe d'Animation Source
I don't agree with the fact that you now allow sparkle dogs and cat characters. What's going on here, seriously? It's not going to bring things back up and solve our problems. I'm sorry, but this will just keep Balto Source going down. What is the point of keeping Balto Source running if we allow just a bunch of ''out of subject'' content?

Just because some kids are crying because they can't do whatever they want here?
By example a pink and green wolf with red eyes and two wings.

I'm sorry but this is not part of Balto's universe and thus, shouldn't be allowed at all (as for cat characters) We've said only the animals featured in the series. Here, I think it's far enough for possibilities. It's Balto Source here. Let's respect the main subject of the site, which is Balto!

You shouldn't allow those two things. By always making those types of exceptions, you'll just bring up more and more out of subject content and Balto Source's authenticity will be lost. For what will we have supported this site since 6 years? Nothing, really.

I'm very disappointed here. I though you've wanted to make Balto Source for Balto's Fans! Plus, you've said it yourself: You don't want to make BS a Deviantart like site. But again, by allowing all those crappy characters, (who for 90% of them only have a thing like ''lives in Nome'' as a relation to Balto) you'll get BS look a doggy Deviantart.

Let's keep up Balto Source for Balto's Fans!
If kids want to do fantasy/sparkel green and pink doggies, they should do them on Deviantart, not here, please!

The site will lose many members, many old members, that were devoted to the site and that's already beginning. We didn't needed that...

I'm a proud member here since 2005 and it's very disappointing to see what BS has become. I'm still trying to keep things up but when I see this type of News, I just can't admit it's real....


November 21, 2010
Usa Is not currently on the site
Oh, they lesson to Steet but not me? Oh well, at least Steet is doing something about it; and I can take a brake. Thanks Steet. :)

November 21, 2010
Germany Female Is not currently on the site
it�s over
hehe, there IS a cat in Balto, I�ll make a screenshot of it tommorow and post it on my profile to proove (just to mention)

November 21, 2010
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thanks steet, its okay to ban raibow colored dogs or things like that but banning a dog because it wears a collar... it was considered an abuse at least by my part

thank you a lot now the ste will be more popular �nd funny, less dramass and each one for each way

November 21, 2010
Usa Female Is not currently on the site
Interesting call Steet. I'm not really interested in things that are less Balto related, but I like that you're so willing to expand the scope of the sites. That's very kind of you and I'm sure a lot of members appreciate it. I love the idea of a filter and categories.. then everyone can be happy and we can finally stop fighting about dog necklaces 83

November 21, 2010
Usa Male Is not currently on the site
L&T Source Moderator
Thank you, Tibb. That was very kind of you! :) I'm glad someone understands...

November 21, 2010
Usa Female Is not currently on the site
I'm not a wolf. Kthxbai.
So you changed the rule just because 10 year old kids were crying about how their rainbow colored things with wings didn't belong on the site? I don't really think that's a change that's going to make things better. And TECHINCALLY what is "clearly" written is that sparkledogs are not allowed: "Fan characters should be connected to the Balto characters / universe." Taken word for word from the rules. And last time I checked pink sparklemutts aren't connected to the Balto characters nor the Balto universe.

And sorry, but I don't think JC should have even been banned in that stupid "argument" in that "Are you a furry?" topic. And since he was, I REALLY think Xaqtly should be since he was the one who really 'started' the whole fight in the first place. But as far as any could see, he didn't so much as get a slap on the wrists from Togo. Pretty one-sided.

November 21, 2010
Usa Male Is not currently on the site
L&T Source Moderator
*SIGH* Okay. I am going to be respectful and civil in this answer to the second half of this news item, which focuses on me.

I appreciate the unbanning. But I am troubled by this view you have, steet, about how I deserved that ban for what happened in that "Are you a furry?" topic. And I wouldn't have said a thing about this had you not posted openly, for the entire membership to see (and guests). I have talked to many people about that topic (including those who posted on both sides of that particular debate), and they unanimously agree with me that I was not the instigator, and that I remained pretty darned civil throughout. It is troubling even more that the person who was flaming and instigating was let off with nothing more than a warning.

"One last chance"? Steet, both in private and openly, I have been respectful and polite to you. I have done my best to help rally the people working on the upcoming "Secret of NIMH Source". I have tried to be a good moderator on LATTS, and have been civil with people in the forum (unless attacked by others). Since coming back, I have had a grand total of three people (out of how many hundreds?) who have had issues with me, and each of those people (whom I won't name, though many know whom they are) have turned hostile on me. I do not come here looking for fights, and almost all of my interactions are peaceful and productive (and always have been). Any fights resulted from those who didn't like me having an opinion on something they had a different opinion on. And, because I am a middle-aged adult, I guess they feel entitled to turn aggressive and sarcastic. And yet, consistently, I am the one held accountable and punished, and that is patently unfair.

I will continue to serve the LATTS site as a moderator. However, after your comments here, and that you took it out into the open, I am not going to do anything more with the Secret of NIMH Source site. I once again have been jaded by unfair and harsh treatment of me over what was very clearly, in this latest case, a problem of another person using offensive name-calling and taking me to task for simply having an opinion different from his (even though he didn't attack anyone else who had the same opinion as I did...which clearly makes it out to be a personal flame attack). And then having a very small group of staffers who have old personal grudges with me, and then using them prejudicially, is not only a problem for me, it is a problem for this site. Staffers have an obligation to know better and behave better. And a certain few of them definitely do not.

However, I thank you, at least, for acknowledging what I DO bring to the site. I certainly wish that those contributions were balanced more fairly against this erroneous view of me being a troublemaker who only deserves "one more chance".

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November 21, 2010
Usa Female Is not currently on the site
AS's own Petrova Doopelganger
Thank you, Steet, for answering the calls of the people. The fact that you posted this shows us that you are proudly listening to the site's problems. I am also tired of the whole sparkledog issue.

November 21, 2010
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thanks for talking about th character rules, it was needed, really ^^'
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