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 Post subject: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:37 pm 
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I noticed a big blooper in the movie and no, it's nothing about animation.
At the beggening, after the race, Steele's owner says something (don't bash me, I don't remember the script) that Steele is loosing his condition because he was slower than a mutt(Balto). But wait... Didn't Steele's owner notice that his dog ran all the race, pulling the sled, while Balto had no burden and ran only for the last second before Finish?

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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:59 pm 
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In the French version, the master of Steele said that Steele would lose his "spirit", his "passion"... So what does not directly concern his speed racing.
But particularly in the movie, I think rather than his master made ??this deduction after a lengthy observation, about Steele. And not simply based on race that we see.

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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:05 pm 
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Sled dogs are supposed to be able to have very high endurance so they can run very long distances so naturally they're expected to keep it up all the way till the end. Also when the race was over Steele didn't seem to look like he was tired at all so I think it's safe to assume he was still good to go as it was about to finish. Plus there were other dogs to help pull the sled, so I would doubt that would be much of a problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
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I don't really like talking about the bloopers of Balto because it makes me look down on the movie sooner or later, so i try to ignore them


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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:41 pm 
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Echo wrote:
I don't really like talking about the bloopers of Balto because it makes me look down on the movie sooner or later, so i try to ignore them


Then why post in this topic? Or view it if you're trying to ignore it? If your not going to contribute to it, then don't post.

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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:46 pm 
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This was not a blooper. A story element is not a blooper. A mistake in art, animation or scripting is a blooper.

Sled dogs back then, especially those used in competitive distance racing, were held to a very harsh standard by their owners/mushers. Especially so their lead dogs. Once an experienced lead dog showed signs of weariness or lack of drive, it was only a matter of time before he (or she) was retired by the musher. Or moved down the line out of the lead position (which was not done as often, as it has been shown that dogs who were demoted in such a manner actually seemed to understand what was happening to them, and became stressed or deeply depressed. Sometimes even fatally so. Here is one graphic example of that, taken from the book The Cruelest Miles by Gay and Laney Salisbury (it's a bit wordy, yes...but try and read it. It's worth it):

"Many scientists are reluctant to attribute human emotions to dogs, calling it anthropomorphism. A musher will be the first to disagree. Sled dogs experience a gamut of emotions, particularly on long expeditions, and lead dogs are not immune. The job is both physically and mentally demanding and they often need a break from their responsibility. Heading back from an expedition, Norman Vaughan, a polar dog driver in the late 1920s and 1930s, noticed that the harness of his lead dog, Dinty, was slacking. A slack harness is unacceptable for a lead dog, particularly on an expedition. Vaughan decided to retire the dog to the back of the team and in his place harnessed a ten-month-old puppy who was quick to express his excitement over the promotion. As if he were ashamed, Dinty put his tail between his legs and hit the trail without one leap or excited yelp. At night, he hid his nose in his paws, looking at Vaughan and the other dogs with a forlorn expression.

"After several days, Vaughan decided that Dinty had had a long enough break. The following day, Vaughan began to harness the dogs. He started with the wheel dogs, and as he moved up the line he stole a glance at Dinty. The dog was lying with his head on his paws, 'pretending indifference.' When Vaughan finally stood before the dog to put him back in his lead, Dinty jumped up, 'fairly trembling with excitement' to be put back at front for the final pull home. 'Who says a dog doesn't think, doesn't understand, has no pride of position?' wrote a dog musher on the expedition who had watched the whole affair. 'They would have had their opinions reversed in short order if they could have seen Mr. Dinty step off on that journey. Head erect and sensitive ears pointing, his eyes fairly sparkling and that great black plume of a tail waving wildly erect, Dinty was again a lead dog to stir a driver's pride'."
(pp. 164-5)

From that same book, in the same chapter, comes another, much sadder story. And I would hesitate to relate it except that it again adequately illustrates this concept (even though this story breaks my heart every time I read it). Again, it's WORTH the read, but be prepared to be saddened:

"This pride that many sled dogs 'feel' toward their work, however, could have unfortunate consequences. One musher, a missionary of the Hudson Bay region, regretted that he did not show his dog a little more respect when it came time to retire his old leader. The missionary Egerton Young described how his lead dog, Voyageur, could not accept being usurped by a younger dog. Voyageur was getting old and it was time to groom a new leader. Without much explanation or preparation, Young put a new dog in Voyageur's position and put the old leader toward the back of the team. The dog became furious, chewing through his own harness and then through that of the new lead dog. Young mended the harnesses, reprimanded the dog, and restarted the team. Voyageur rebelled and rebelled. He turned wild and snapped at the heels of the dog ahead of him, as if trying to catch up to the new leader. Young checked him with a whip. 'Thus completely foiled in this as in every other scheme his dog intellect could devise, Voyageur suddenly collapsed,' Young wrote. Like a good sled dog, Voyageur continued the journey, but his usual 'proud, eager, ambitious spirit was completely broken. His high head with that ever alert eye went down and the long tail tried to disappear between his legs.' Seeing the dog's utter dejection, Young unhooked the new leader and replaced Voyageur, but it was too late. Voyageur's heart was broken. For the remainder of the trip Voyageur did not once wag his tail or turn his eyes up toward Young as he so often had.

"Even an attempt to put him in his best harness decorated with ribbons and silver bells, which all the dogs were so fond of, would not lift Voyageur's spirits. The night the team arrived at Young's cabin, Voyageur trudged out to the middle of the nearby lake. Beneath a full moon, he sat on the ice, moaning and howling. When the moon sank down to the horizon, Voyageur lay down and died."
(pp. 165-6)

The Cruelest Miles is considered one of the best sources of information about the original Nome serum run of 1925. It is not perfect, of course, but no book or website ever really is. And while these two stories have nothing whatsoever to do with the Nome serum run, they were included in the book to illustrate the importance of the lead dog on a dog sled team.

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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:16 pm 
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Mightybalto1925 wrote:
Echo wrote:
I don't really like talking about the bloopers of Balto because it makes me look down on the movie sooner or later, so i try to ignore them

Then why post in this topic? Or view it if you're trying to ignore it? If your not going to contribute to it, then don't post.


Hey, you're NOT A MODERATOR and you're pulling this off topic just to insult me to gain some sort of status, you're pathetic! You sould have just moved on but instead you pull it off topic just to look cool, so instead of making this go into a darker corner , im going to put it back on topic;

steele's owner is obviously just complaining ,'steele's getting too slow waaaaaaaa!' Steele did have to run a thousand miles or so and balto did only run for about 10 seconds so NO that's not a blooper, that's just Steele's owner Complaining over nothing really


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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:56 pm 
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^ Chill, Echo. Your attitude is very rude and insulting other members is highly frowned upon here. There's nothing wrong with giving posting advice.
Mighty might not agree with a lot of the things you say, but you should respect her opinion [as you should any other member].

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On topic: Nice catch, Sakujo! One would think a real musher would see that logic.

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You're still pulling this off topic


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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:08 pm 
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Echo wrote:
You're still pulling this off topic

Echo, Roi is a forum moderator. I wouldn't suggest arguing the point with her. Besides, she treated you civilly.

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 Post subject: Re: Big blooper in movie
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Sakujo wrote:
I noticed a big blooper in the movie and no, it's nothing about animation.
At the beggening, after the race, Steele's owner says something (don't bash me, I don't remember the script) that Steele is loosing his condition because he was slower than a mutt(Balto). But wait... Didn't Steele's owner notice that his dog ran all the race, pulling the sled, while Balto had no burden and ran only for the last second before Finish?

If I were the musher, I'd have been more concerned about Steele's cheat during the race. Now that's losing his edge.

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Yeah, I know that racing dogs, like runners must have a great condition to run fast all the time, but it's still a little weird that Steele's musher compared him to Balto. If Steele and Balto would race alone from the beggening it would be a different thing.

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Yeah, I know that racing dogs, like runners must have a great condition to run fast all the time, but it's still a little weird that Steele's musher compared him to Balto. If Steele and Balto would race alone from the beggening it would be a different thing.

True enough. I have to wonder if in the back of his mind he wasn't thinking about Steele's cheating. But then that raises the question of the photographer's coment.

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The Cruelest Miles stories


That's a really cool find, and a very, VERY interesting read.


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HMXTaylorLee wrote:
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That's a really cool find, and a very, VERY interesting read.

You should get and read the whole book. It's full of interesting stories like that. And so is the book "Seppala: Alaskan Dog Driver".

But thank you!

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