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Post subject: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:28 pm |
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Don't you think Charlie seems to have Steele's personality, or a similar one?
Because in the first movie, all Charlie want's to do is make money, and in the second movie all he want's to do is get with Sasha! Just like Steele wanting Jenna don't you think?
Now I know eventually Charlie turns good in both films but his original intentions don't differ much from Steele's do they?
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:58 pm |
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Well both Charlie and Steele where motivated by one thing, Greed. So of course there would be some similarity in their goals, at least at first. Of course we all know Charlie overcomes his greed and Steele is eventually destroyed, figuratively, by his. Also at some point both characters also want revenge of some kind so with that as motivation you could see them both acting similarly off the same impulse.
While both characters are motivated by the same things I think they are uniquely different due to their personality traits.
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:52 pm |
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I never thought of that way before but I guess they do act alike but at least Charlie will change and become good at some point but unlike Steele,Steele will never change and always be evil to the end.
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:05 am |
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As far as greed is concerned, they are similar. But the greed is a little different. Charlie wants money and influence. Steele wants fame and females.
Steele is just a fake.
It is strongly hinted that Carface's organization was a parallel to the Italian-American Cosa Nostra. In other words, the mafia or mob. So Charlie either was either just an affiliate or an actual mobster, making him a fair bit different than Steele. Steele is no mobster.
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:50 am |
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Erm.. at first well steele was a meanie from the start all he wanted was to win.
Charlie wanted his friends and himself to win and gain money and sing a nice song.
Charlie did some of his stuff to help others and himself along the way, And steele just did what he did for himself and his glory.
They are only similar cause they both seemed like villians at points (steele was always villiany tho. and charlie was only halfly)
But charlie came out on top and even if he didnt like it he still helped his friends and buddie itchy and the poor. Steele did NOTHING for no one.
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:13 pm |
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Well, they do have similar traits in their personality. Both Charlie and Steele were popular, in both good and bad ways (I mean, they easily made enemies - Charlie with his former partner, Carface . . . and Steele with Balto (maybe Jenna too, thanks to his constant advances on her and all) . . .). Neither one of them is exactly a dog you'd want to take home to Mama . . . (not at first - Charlie maybe, but NOT Steele)
One major difference is that Charlie actually GOT CAUGHT for his shenanigans (one of the dogs at his casino said that he was in Death Row . . . he must have been REALLY BAD, maybe even worse than Steele if you think about it.). Steele usually covers things up, letting someone else (Balto, mainly) take the blame for it. Another obvious one is that Charlie actually DOES change - he may have been bad for his first life, but he tries so hard in his second chance . . . eventually giving his life to save Anne-Marie's. Steele is far too proud to do anything that noble . . . especially since by the end of his film, no one believed his stories . . .
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:17 pm |
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Juuchan17 wrote: Well, they do have similar traits in their personality. Both Charlie and Steele were popular, in both good and bad ways (I mean, they easily made enemies - Charlie with his former partner, Carface . . . and Steele with Balto (maybe Jenna too, thanks to his constant advances on her and all) . . .). Neither one of them is exactly a dog you'd want to take home to Mama . . . (not at first - Charlie maybe, but NOT Steele)- Juuchan17 Well Steele was loyal to his owner as you see, not aggressive at all. and probably any dog in real life who's aggressive to other dogs could be worse then steele. i wouldn't mind steele as a pet =P An your right about charlie, he could be alot worse then we know of since he was on death row. But when we was young we got no clue what a death row is and just seeing how he acts like. but i guess they simular, but any villian dog could be related to steele cause he is just another villian.
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:52 pm |
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Zion wrote: Juuchan17 wrote: Well, they do have similar traits in their personality. Both Charlie and Steele were popular, in both good and bad ways (I mean, they easily made enemies - Charlie with his former partner, Carface . . . and Steele with Balto (maybe Jenna too, thanks to his constant advances on her and all) . . .). Neither one of them is exactly a dog you'd want to take home to Mama . . . (not at first - Charlie maybe, but NOT Steele)- Juuchan17 Well Steele was loyal to his owner as you see, not aggressive at all. and probably any dog in real life who's aggressive to other dogs could be worse then steele. i wouldn't mind steele as a pet =P An your right about charlie, he could be alot worse then we know of since he was on death row. But when we was young we got no clue what a death row is and just seeing how he acts like. but i guess they simular, but any villian dog could be related to steele cause he is just another villian. Well, Steele's owner is a guy. Of course he'd want a loyal dog, but he's probably got no clue on the As for Charlie, the whole song "You Can't Keep A Good Dog Down" is filled with stuff telling how hard Charlie's life has been (in a nutshell). Perhaps he was a bad boy so that he could make a better life for himself. At least he had a good reason to do so . . . then again, Steele could be the same way (but we don't know how his past was . . . we just know that he hates wolf-dogs like Balto and being popular). - Juuchan17
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:02 am |
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I haven't seen this movie for a long while now, (i wanted to see the movie on YouTube, but the first part was strangely enough deleted from YouTube) but I'm with this theory that Charlie has some of the traits of Steele, because he has have the allures of Steele, Charlie is also a woman magnet, just like Steele, (although, from what I have seen from videos on YouTube.).
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:08 pm |
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No I would not consider Steele and Charlie to be similar. Steele is just obsessed with himself and nobody else, while Charlie has a soft spot and he is a little selfish but who wouldn't want their life back! But in the end Charlie was a good dog after all. And it doesn't seem like Steele will ever change!!!
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:09 pm |
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Charlie B. Barkin wrote: No I would not consider Steele and Charlie to be similar. Steele is just obsessed with himself and nobody else, while Charlie has a soft spot and he is a little selfish but who wouldn't want their life back! But in the end Charlie was a good dog after all. And it doesn't seem like Steele will ever change!!! I totally agree. For me it's impossible to compare the two characters. yeah, they can be considered similar but they act in such different situations...
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:29 pm |
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Charlie B. Barkin wrote: No I would not consider Steele and Charlie to be similar. Steele is just obsessed with himself and nobody else, while Charlie has a soft spot and he is a little selfish but who wouldn't want their life back! But in the end Charlie was a good dog after all. And it doesn't seem like Steele will ever change!!! Beat me to the punch there. That's pretty much plain and simple. Steele = Full of envy (for Balto later on, with the medicine and Jenna and all), self-righteous, and aggressive. On the other hand Charlie = Greedy (at first), slightly self-righteous, a bit rebellious, and vengeful (has pretty good reason to though.). Put two and two together and you get the fact that Steele will never change while Charlie see's the light.
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:39 am |
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Don't forget Itchy, if Charlie were Steele he'd treat Itchy lot worse, Itchy didn't hate him.
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Post subject: Re: Charlie is kinda like Steele... At first Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:53 am |
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Not at all....actually. I think they're really different in that Charlie actually has a conscience, somewhat, even before he changed for Ann-Marie. Steele didn't even have friends he cared about...but Charlie was pretty popular with everyone, remember every time he gambled, he shared his riches with his friends, he had Itchy always at his side through the good and the bad....but Jenna's quote stands true: "The only way Steele would notice anyone is if they were wearing a mirror". Lol, that dog only cared about himself...that's for sure. I actually think of Steele as the dog form of Gaston from Beauty and the Beast!! The first time I saw Steele in Balto, I immediately got Gaston vibes. Now THOSE TWO are similar. XD A violent, muscle-bound honest-to-goodness egotistical big-bully jerk who wants the girl but doesn't care enough about her to let her be with the one she loves? That is both of them. To a T. I'm just glad Steele doesn't sing. Juuchan17 wrote: One major difference is that Charlie actually GOT CAUGHT for his shenanigans (one of the dogs at his casino said that he was in Death Row . . . he must have been REALLY BAD, maybe even worse than Steele if you think about it.) True...but I vividly remember Charlie insisting to Carface that "I was framed!!"....now whether that's true or not....it's up to you to believe him. ^_^ I was under the impression that Carface was the one who framed him to get rid of him. >:/
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