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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:48 am |
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AnimalLover97 wrote: Yes, Kopa DID exist, but not in the movies, only in the books Six New AdventuresAbigail Beatty1 wrote: Yes, he did. He was presented at the end of the end in the first film during the circle of life reprise. And he was mentioned in the Six New Adventures. But he wasn't mentioned in the second film because he was allegedly murdered by Zira. But he did indeed exist. First:The cub in the end isn't Kopa: it's a genderless cub nicknamed "Fluffy". The cub was randomly made, just to show that the Circle of Life was complete. Second:No one knows what happened to Kopa. The "Zira murdered him" is just a theory. KopaHeartVitani wrote: Well yes and no.
Officially (out of the Lion King Films), no he did not actually exist. Also, the cub shown to the crowds at the end of movie one was a cub named jokingly "Fluffy".
However in FanFiction, the "Six New Adventures Books" and whatever else, is completely different. Then Kopa does exist, for whatever reason why.
Although (really) it's up to you to decide whether you think he exists or not. SNA isn't a fanfiction, it's an official book.  All of my yes. ^^ The 'Zira murdered Kopa' thing is only a theory. It's just an opinion others have. I mean, I've read the SNA Books; and authors of children's books usually don't put gore or death in their stories and books. Just thought I'd mention that. Anyway, thanks for the pointers AnimalLover! I don't think AS would make it without these wonderful pointers and correct statements.
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:01 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:47 am |
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Kopa Never existed in TLK universe... He is fanfiction as It was made and written by a way different company that had no connection to Disney... Disney didn't want Kopa or any of the SNA characters to be official so they gave that company permission to publish them as Advertisements to get others to watch TLK..... The cub at the end of TLK was a genderless cub(AKA Known as Fluffy) because they didn't think they were gonna make a sequel.... These are true statements as I've read what Disney had to say about TLK and its fiction stories..... and Zira being exiled she was one of Scars followers all the Lioness that followed Scar we're banished to the outlands
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:03 pm |
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BALTOTLK wrote: Very simple.  She was Scar's follower. true but maybe she did kill their first cub kopa if he wasn't mentioned right?
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:05 pm |
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Star Fire wrote: BALTOTLK wrote: Very simple.  She was Scar's follower. true but maybe she did kill their first cub kopa if he wasn't mentioned right? No. Kopa only exists in the "Six New Adventures." He is not a character in the film universe.
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 5:37 pm |
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Well technically, there is no wrong answer to why Zira was exiled. You could use Kopa, say because she was a follower, or even have some absurd theories, and they would still not be incorrect or correct. Disney left this to our imagination, how can there be an incorrect theory if there are no correct theories at all? There's a reason they're called theories, it's all just fanfiction and "what if's"
I like to classify Kopa as fanfiction that just happened to be published. It was the author's interpretation of Simba and Nala's cubs before the second movie came out. Only the movies can be considered canon in my opinion, as they were made by Disney, but some people like to take all books as canon. In that case, I'm not stopping you, everyone has different views, but some people take it too far with acting like Kopa is a canon character that disappeared, and try to cram their opinion down other's throats, though that fortunately doesn't happen much here if at all.
As to his "disappearance", how can he disappear if he was never in the movies? Why would Disney mean for there to be a son of Simba and Nala who got murdered by Zira, and never mention it? If you want to make your own fanfiction where Simba and Nala have a son called Kopa before Kiara, and he gets murdered by Zira, fine. If that fills up as an explanation to Zira's exile for you, go ahead. We all have theories. If you take the books into your TLK universe, so therefore think of an explanation to why Kopa disappears in your universe, fine. But people need to understand he wasn't a character in the movies. That is solid fact, the rest is to your interpration.
And no, Kopa isn't the cub at the end of TLK. He can be in your fanfiction, but Disney-wise, that is just "fluffy", as he was nicknamed, and probably meant to be Kiara as well. After all, "fluffy" was only put in to complete the circle of life in the movie, while no one really thought about the second movie, but when they made SP, they put more thought into the design, made Kiara less of a Simba look-alike than "fluffy", and probably expected us to just shrug our shoulders and take the cub at the end of TLK as Kiara. Wonder if they knew there would be on-going arguments and debates about the random cub thrown at the end of TLK and a cub in a book written by totally different people xDDD
*If you read all of that, I'm so sorry. I really am. I always go into rants TT_TT*
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:13 pm |
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BALTOTLK wrote: WolfHardy wrote: Actually the six adventure books were written by someone who was on the production of the first lion king movie - this was because they didn't expect the film to get a sequel, so this was their way of continuing the story. The reason why Kopa wasn't in LK 2 is that the director of LK 2 wasn't aware of kopas existence until production of the movie had finished, this was because for the most part the stories were between the production team of the origional film I hope this helped yes well i don't know where you got that info , but the six new adventure were infact NOT WRITTEN BY DISNEY. they were'nt EVEN CREATED by the people who made the first flim.  my friend has an offical email by the people who made the books. Kopa was created by a childrens book author who did not even know that the film makers had already thought of a child for Simba and Nala! (Source: Alex Simmons the author of book 1 in The Lion King: Six New Adventures and he also stated that '' kopa was my creation all the way.'' and alex simmons did'nt work for disney. :p and they left the cub genderless , because they did'nt know there was gonna be a sequal they called the cub fluffy. and kopa was'nt in LK2 because they did'nt ment for him to exist in the movies , only the books. sorry if i sound harsh just correcting some points hope this helped.  I really have no clue where the idea a guy who worked on TLK wrote those books. xD The books aren't canon, Kopa only exists in the book universe, while Kiara is their ONLY [well i guess they could have some later] cub in SP. Therefore, the name Taka for Scar and all that isn't canon either. None of the filmmakers knew of Kopa because the books were obscure, only one out of piles of TLK books being published at the time. :3
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:45 am |
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No. Only In 6 Books.
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:41 am |
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Kopa Exsisted in Fanfics but never really in the cannon. Though he was fluffy that the animators teased on at the end of the first film and then became Kiara in the second.
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:52 am |
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I always thought it was kopa until I found Disney's number on there website they officially said it was genderless so it wasn't kiara or kopa.
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Post subject: Re: Did Kopa ever exist? Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:09 pm |
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Kopa is not created by Disney and he never existed in canon (canon = things created by Disney = 3 Disney movies).
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