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Just do a quick Google search under that name...you'll find it. I won't like that train wreck here. It might give a whole new set of noobs some irritating ideas...

what is wrong with doll divine puppy maker why dos it matter if some people wont to use doll divine for character markings

Okay, this is easy to answer, but first a little mini rant-in-rant:

"Aleu". Not "Alue". How many times can people (myself included) stress this enough to newbies and (especially) younger fans? It's a four-letter name, for crying out loud. That it can be so consistently and repeatedly misspelled, especially when it's correct spelling is posted all over the main Balto Source site, and even on this forum, boggles the mind!

Second, check your grammar and spelling in general please. Just being on the internet is no excuse for poor grammar and spelling, or just even plain old laziness or indifference. Capital letters matter. Correct punctuation matters. Respecting proper names matters (be they of people characters, places or other things, like website titles for example). Correct spelling matters (i.e. "does", not "dos").

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All that being said, and back to a direct response to your two-question run-on sentence:

a. because it's a lousy game website, as I understand it, and is not meant as a framework for this sort of setting;

b. because using those line arts or pet creator formats for making characters here demonstrates a complete lack of originality and creativity. Why? Because the person who used it, with the specific purpose of creating a full-body image for their character HERE, should have either drawn the character themselves, or asked a fan artist to consider doing so for them. While there are certainly several fan artists who are totally unwilling--for any number of reasons, whether those are sensible ones or selfish reasons--to do requests, or who won't unless you actually pay them on commission (and, unfortunately, many of the really good fan artists fall into those realms), there are also many fan artists who will. You just have to be polite and patient with your requests, and specific. That, in of itself, is hardly unreasonable.

c. because the use of that, and related, sites is ridiculously out of control.


...Hmm. I would have thought that the many responses posted in this topic already would have made it obvious enough.

It's not a website silly, it was made on flash as far as I know. The creator is on dA and has made several different types of these "games", though I don't follow them so I wouldn't be able to tell you a username. I just know about them from them being featured on the dA front page, or credits in character pages around here. So calling it "lousy" may be a bit harsh considering the maker did clearly put a lot of effort into making these games, and made all the artwork for it.

As for the actual usage of them here on AS, I have to agree that they are just a lazy attempt at making a character. I wouldn't mind if the makers were used as a sort of reference or idea BEFORE the final design was finalized, but using it and the image as the actual character design? It will not be original because there will be several other EXACT designs like it in other places. I've seen members trying to use it for official images too. Um…WHAT?!

Using Doll Divine's and other makers used to be against the rules and I was perfectly fine with it. Why it suddenly returned is beyond me. I know I didn't have a say in it or I would have given objection for sure. Now that we're demanding better quality with images and characters, it seems a bit of a step backward in that regard. But, hey, it's a website on the internet. I know It's not really going to affect us in the real world, but still. xD

THAT explains much. lol



Yeeees ma'aaam. Gentle reprimand noted and acquiesced to.


As to the rest of what you said, well, I pretty much agree, but most especially wherein it should never have been permitted again. Eh heh.

So, this is pretty much going to be at least 98% moot, because I don't frequent this website anymore. However, I'm going to go ahead and play devil's advocate here for a few minutes.

We can all agree that Animation Source is a fan website devoted to discussing specific animated moves or series and submitting various creative works. We can also all agree that Animation Source is not deviantArt, nor is it any other kind of art specific website alone. Most forms of creativity are welcome (within reason) here. However, not everyone has the same artistic ability that a good many of the users here were blessed with. Sure, you could argue that "practice makes perfect" or that drawing even something that doesn't look as nice is "more creative" than using a generator. Let's be honest though - for users whose talents lay in another realm of creativity from drawing, it can not only be a hassle to try and pull that image from your brain, but it can also be a significant source of sadness when you just can't quite get the anatomy right. Sure, most people here will be kind to you about it, but it doesn't change the fact that you can see your own suckiness at art staring you right back in the face.

For me, using character generators has always been a way to quickly get a mental image of a new character concept from my brain onto a physical screen. Having a physical image of my characters helps me keep descriptions consistent. Sure, I've dipped my hand in the world of drawing and painting before, with varying degrees of success. The problem is just that though - the results are not consistent or reliable. Only if a dedicate a good couple of hours on making everything Mary Poppins style (i.e. practically perfect in every way) do I get a somewhat consistent result. And, let's face it, I certainly don't have time for those kinds of shenanigans. Lots of other people don't really either.

Now, are the other users who throw up these characters by using generators exactly like me? I should hope not, that'd be really weird and creepy. I'm merely saying that I do see lines of thought wherein it'd be downright logical to utilize a character generator. This certainly doesn't excuse hundreds and hundreds of character generator only images, and I'm absolutely not arguing for character generator images to be allowed on the section of the website reserved for original art. This also doesn't excuse characters with "fill in the blank" information, inviting others to make up siblings, nephews, mothers and fathers, etc. I just don't think that using character generators is the root of the problem here. It can, in some instances, be a symptom, but I don't think it's the disease itself. The real disease is laziness - users who misuse what is meant to be a creative facilitation tool.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be going back to my corner of the internet where it's dark and quiet. It's okay - they know me there.

Just because some people dont like doll divine that means nobody can use it for there characters should it be up to them its there characters they should be able to do what they like with them and anyway doll divine is still art because someone drew it

As Troll Berserker pointed out in her response to your topic about your deactivated character, your grammar skills need work. You need to concentrate on this, because reading your posts is nearly impossible. Following the context and thought process likewise. Nearly impossible. Run-on sentences like this, with poor language use, are extraordinarily bad, and should not be permitted here.

I never said people COULDN'T use Doll Divine. That's not my call. It's the webmaster's call. Regardless, it's a garbage site, which allows people here (and elsewhere) to cheat by not creating their own art or material, but using that site as a crutch and a quick fix. (And a poor one at that.)

Why does grammar matter its not a school. As long as you can understand people it should be ok

If you actually have to ask that question, then clearly you don't get it. And, very clearly, you need more attention from your teachers, your parents, and others in positions of authority and education.

Whats my education got to do with you

Your laziness in typing posts, with your run-on sentences, horrible grammar and spelling, and "good grammar is only for school" attitude, is, frankly, unacceptable. Things here are required to be legible. And to make sense. And to have good grammar and spelling. Schools teach you grammar and spelling for a reason. And it's for far more than just using it in school. Start learning that and adapt.

Im not lazy and why is it unacceptble that some people are not as good at grammar as other people

It should be more than obvious. If someone writes without using punctuation and proper spelling, no one is going to understand what you're saying. And it certainty IS lazy when someone says "it isn't a school, so it doesn't matter."

Because even a child in grade school (and, to be absolutely clear on this, that's between the ages of six and eleven) has already learned what a run-on sentence is and, by fourth grade in most schools, has already learned how to avoid this horrible misuse of sentence structure (http://www.learnnc.org/lp/pages/3742).


Here: read, learn and put it to use. I have provided the resource to help you. Use it: http://www.sophia.org/tutorials/run-on-sentences--4