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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:32 pm |
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Most working huskies are workaholics... have people here ever seen huskies/sled dogs ready for the off? They are mental LOL but all them (if left as nature intended) will find time to umm... strike up relations  Plus Kodie was young and he might have thought that girls had "cooties". He would probably be half right... they probably had fleas at least in the summer months 
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:36 pm |
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Dragon Tamer wrote: In short, there is plenty of room to suppose that a writer or Dusty herself (in a manner of speaking) could decide with full faculty that Kodi would be a good choice for her. I can definitely see you are a definite Kodi X Dusty fan, DT, so I'm not going to try and change your opinion. Glad we could talk that one out, but I do agree with the recent comments that have been posted which add to my opinion exactly. Angel Dreamer wrote: But looking back...Kodi IS a bit too work oriented for a girlfriend.. Agreed, he always appeared too 'serious'. Brown Wolf wrote: the only thing that's better for Kodi is his work Again, I completely agree with Brown here, and referring to what most people have said...I think Dusty and Ralph make a little more suitable couple, personality wise as far as that goes *shrug* Brown Wolf wrote: What girl wants to be with a guy who is a constant workaholic? It's a total relationship killer. ^ That exactly. So yeah...I'm not a fan of really any of the Dusty X Kodi, Dusty X Ralph (eventhough I'd say it makes slightly more sense) or even Kodi X Kirby XD
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:06 pm |
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Well, let me add on... I still ship Kodi with Dusty xD BUT..I think that Kodi's serious/work oriented behavior would make for an interesting situation if he ever DID get in a relationship. For instance, I used that angle when I adopted a character who was supposedly Kodi's mate. ( This is her. (I was allowed to change the relationship between the two, but it made for an interesting relationship. First you think you love someone, but you have different goals and dreams, and needs..Basically not much in common..Therefore, a rather depressing break up.) I'm also planning to use that side of his personality in an upcoming fanfiction/ or possible comic.. (since I can't really write that well) That takes place after WoC.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:09 pm |
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Angel Dreamer wrote: Well, let me add on... I still ship Kodi with Dusty xD BUT..I think that Kodi's serious/work oriented behavior would make for an interesting situation if he ever DID get in a relationship. For instance, I used that angle when I adopted a character who was supposedly Kodi's mate. ( This is her. (I was allowed to change the relationship between the two, but it made for an interesting relationship. First you think you love someone, but you have different goals and dreams, and needs..Basically not much in common..Therefore, a rather depressing break up.) I'm also planning to use that side of his personality in an upcoming fanfiction/ or possible comic.. (since I can't really write that well) That takes place after WoC. This is true. I'm reminded of a situation where the same kind of thing happened. I'd describe it, but it's kind of an obscure connection.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:57 pm |
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I'm not a Supporter of Dusty and Kodi , more of Ralph and Dusty. I Think he'd be perfect for a fan charecter that has a Job orientated job like he does.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:52 pm |
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I hate shipping any characters. The director didn't intend on telling any love story for Kodi in the movies, so they didn't. Sure, it's fun to fantasize, But if Kodi were to get a mate, I doubt it would be anyone in the poll. If anyone on the poll, Dusty's, okay. But even she wouldn't be my personal ideal choice. I'm not a huge fan of any of those dogs actually. I found the mail team in Balto III to be slightly aggravating. Although, the only pairing I've actually liked at all is one I made, and it's Kaltag x Dusty. I'm just extremely "ehh" on this subject, but here's another opinion.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:27 am |
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alphawolfjenna wrote: I hate shipping any characters. The director didn't intend on telling any love story for Kodi in the movies, so they didn't. Sure, it's fun to fantasize, But if Kodi were to get a mate, I doubt it would be anyone in the poll. I have always found it annoying how people on this site seem to be obsessed with figuring out who goes best with who. Like you said, it's fun to fantasize, but I think people worry a bit too much about characters that do not have mates... Not every freakn' character needs one. I can see more reason to fantasize about Aleu having a mate, but Kodi? Not so much.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:01 am |
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I know what is better for him.
His job. (He sure does love it)
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:19 am |
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Ah, but everyone, regardless of their line of work, needs a purpose behind it. A soldier needs someone to fight for, a teacher needs a reason to teach. I forget the exact wording, but there's an old proverb that goes, "To will is to do, for it is by hunger."
Now not everyone does their job for the same reason; some do theirs just to pay their bills, others for their families, others for their country, and some for other goals too diverse to mention here. The point is that those who treat Kodi's job as his end-all are missing the point, not only of the movie but of pretty much everything. He did what he did, ultimately, because he felt it was important for the sake of others. While that others-centeredness does not point in a romantic direction in and of itself, it's certainly something anyone with an ounce of sense would look for in a mate.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:16 am |
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Dragon Tamer wrote: Ah, but everyone, regardless of their line of work, needs a purpose behind it. /.../ The point is that those who treat Kodi's job as his end-all are missing the point, not only of the movie but of pretty much everything. He did what he did, ultimately, because he felt it was important for the sake of others. While that others-centeredness does not point in a romantic direction in and of itself, it's certainly something anyone with an ounce of sense would look for in a mate. It's pretty evident, actually, from the dialogue in the movie, that Kodi cares about the job, and about having it and doing it, pretty much for its own sake. A reflection, in an anthropomorphic, animated-world sense, of the real world--and of the nature of Siberian Huskies (and other breeds, and the Alaskan Husky mix, so commonly used in dog sledding to this day) to want to pull and to run. They show a marked uptick in emotion and enthusiasm (as we know, and has been increasingly shown by animal behaviorists, dogs CAN actually show some amount of emotion) whenever they are exposed to the very thing they were bred to do. There is also some evidence, in human psychological circles, that a person can devote themselves so single-mindedly to their work, or even to a hobby, that they either don't have any time to devote to romantic pursuits, or may not even care enough. Some just prefer to work that much. Sometimes even to the point of distraction from normal romantic enticements. Mightybalto1925 wrote: ^ That post is WIN! It most certainly is. 
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:30 am |
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JerseyCaptain wrote: Dragon Tamer wrote: Ah, but everyone, regardless of their line of work, needs a purpose behind it. /.../ The point is that those who treat Kodi's job as his end-all are missing the point, not only of the movie but of pretty much everything. He did what he did, ultimately, because he felt it was important for the sake of others. While that others-centeredness does not point in a romantic direction in and of itself, it's certainly something anyone with an ounce of sense would look for in a mate. It's pretty evident, actually, from the dialogue in the movie, that Kodi cares about the job, and about having it and doing it, pretty much for its own sake. "Bringing the mail and supplies is all about helping people. And now when somebody really needs our help, we're sitting on our butts. I mean if this is what it takes to be a mail dog... then I'm not sure that's what I want to be." Throw me some Q-tips, because I'm not hearing, "it's about being a sled dog" there. Maybe he had that attitude before, but certainly not at that point or afterward. This was his defining moment, the one where (as is the case in many of the better stories out there) the character must look at what he has labored long and hard to get, and decide whether or not to give it up. He was willing to give up his dream to help someone else. He knew he could die, or that the other dogs might ostracize him as a traitor, and he decided none of that mattered.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:14 pm |
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Dragon Tamer wrote: Throw me some Q-tips, because I'm not hearing, "it's about being a sled dog" there. Maybe he had that attitude before, but certainly not at that point or afterward. This was his defining moment, the one where (as is the case in many of the better stories out there) the character must look at what he has labored long and hard to get, and decide whether or not to give it up. He was willing to give up his dream to help someone else. He knew he could die, or that the other dogs might ostracize him as a traitor, and he decided none of that mattered. His "defining moment", was it? "Not hearing 'it's about being a sled dog' there", huh? You forgot, I suppose, that this *ahem* "defining moment" of Kodi's came after BOTH of his parents gave him a thorough talking to, which led to him hanging his head in shame over the realization of what really and actually mattered to him up to those points: the job and climbing the ranks to eventually become lead dog "like you dad". But let's review the actual lessons in humiliation, right from the script itself... ...oh, first? "Throw me some Q-tips, because I'm not hearing , 'it's about being a sled dog' there." That was needlessly sarcastic. I didn't treat you that way. Of course, I've become accustomed to being manhandled with sarcasm, bullying and baiting. It's constantly tossed at me. Anyway, the turning points, courtesy not of some self-ascribed epiphany on the part of Kodi, but of his PARENTS: Balto: He's not the enemy. He's a man, a nice one! Kodi: But dad, he IS the enemy! He wants to take away our jobs! ------skipping along a bit------ Kirby: ...The difference between a dog and a machine is dogs are tough and reliable! Balto: I thought the difference is only one has a heart. (pause) I'm not gonna let Duke freeze to death out there. Now who's coming with me? (another pause) Kodi? Kodi: (Sighs) I...I don't even think he's out there. Look, my job is to deliver the mail. Balto: I'm sorry you see it that way. ******* Jenna: Kodi? Kodiak, come here!Kodi: Yeah mom? Jenna: What are you doing here? I - I thought you went with your dad. Kodi: No I...I didn't. Jenna: (Sighs) You mean your dad's out there alone? Oh, why didn't you go? Kodi: Well...(sighs, stammering) I don't know. I don't know why he's even looking. Jenna: Oh, Kodi. I don't believe you. There is a man out there...maybe dying! Kodi: We coulda lost our jobs because of that man! Jenna: You think your job is worth more than a life? (sighs) I should've gone with Balto...
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:25 pm |
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Ahh the lovely old-fashioned mindset that people (not excluding animals) are born /only/ to grow up, get married, and keep the population flow going. What primitive thinking.
Of course these thinkers believe that if you're a "terrible person" in their eyes, you don't deserve the luxury of finding happiness in someone else, mainly because simply they don't agree with what you think. But as soon as they like you, it's automatically a given that you're going to dedicate your life to only one person for the rest of your days, and if you don't then there's something wrong with you.
Nowadays, it's not uncommon for people to be married to their work. No, it's true! There's many people in this world who actually PREFER the life of being single! And it's neither shameful nor a new concept. This mindset dates back even before the 1920's (and not just for people who have vowed celibacy).
Now with that known, let's take a look at the facts about Kodi that we KNOW from the movie that weren't already stated (any of you fan speculators can go take a hike, but I have a feeling you'll need a reminder later).
- Kodi is a sled dog. - Kodi runs the mail. - Kodi is proud of his father. - Kodi yearns to be like his father. - Kodi has a good relationship with BOTH parents. - Kodi has friends. - Kodi will do anything to keep his as a sled dog. - Kodi is easily influenced by peer pressure. - Deep down he has a sense to do what's right (when things are put into perspective).
Whoa, what do you know? Not even a suggestive interest in romance, even when presented with a possible (tho crucially unlikely) contender. EVERY. SINGLE. BIT of dialogue this character has ever said refers to one of two things 1) His job. 2) His dad. Could it be that Kodi's true love IS his work?
"BUT CAAAAAAAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO DEVELOP A ROMANCE INTEREST FOR KODI"
Ever stop to think that the creators didn't WANT him to have one?
"BUT CAAAAAAAAAAAAAT LOTS OF PEOPLE WORK TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THEY LOVE"
Yes, but wouldn't that be dedication to your family and not your job? Say you work for a job you utterly HATE, you're only keeping it because it pays enough to keep your family stable. That's fine. But that's not dedication to your job over your family. Kodi has ZERO ties to anyone, so it's obvious that his love for his job is strictly about self-approval.
"BUT CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT SOLDIERS--"
Shut up, we're not talking about soldiers. Oh, also, it's not a requirement that you be promised to someone when you come back. Plenty of soldiers actually DO fight for their country, as impossible as that may seem.
"BUT CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT HE COULD FIND TRUE LOVE AFTER"
What did I say a few sentences ago? I said "fan speculators--go take a hike". We're talking about "Who's better for Kodi". The answer is: no one. When you are dedicated to a job, like what Kodi is evidently to his, romance just gets in the way, and eventually you have to choose. Kodi has a goal: To be lead dog. His goal is not "get married and have kids". Yes, he is young and "has plenty of time to worry about that later" or what have you. But you all are forgetting one thing, love is NEVER brought up. EVER. Not once. And unless you have a set goal that doesn't involve getting married, it WILL cross the mind a few times. Do we know what's on Kodi's mind? Yes. Yes we do. It's in the movie. His job.
I'm only bringing this up because the majority of you pick Dusty to be the one who's "best" for him. It's evident than neither her nor Ralph are as dedicated to their work as Kodi is. Both are dedicated to an extent, but not to an extreme level as Kodi to where they take it seriously only when a threat is posed against it. Since neither are are dedicated to their work as Kodi, both are perfect for each other because they have dedication to one another. And it's not only evident in the movie, but the director even says they're together.
"BUT CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT WHAT IF DUSTY BREAKS UP WITH RALPH CUZ KODI IS OBVIOUSLY BETTER"
You fricken speculators, GET OUT. Your definition of "who's better for Kodi" is obviously just a self-insert. You for some reason see yourself in Kodi (my theory is that because Kodi suffers from the Bella Swan-Effect and is just so vague that he can really just relate to anyone) and so you feel that since you-yourself yearn for "twoo wub" you believe that Kodi should too. Not the case. What we see in the movies is fact, anything else is just in your happy little day dream. Kodi is dedicated to his job, and since no love interest was actually established in the movie, it is more than safe to say that he'd be happiest doing his job for the rest of his days. That's not a hard concept to grasp.
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Post subject: Re: Whos better for Kodi? Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:48 pm |
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JerseyCaptain wrote: Dragon Tamer wrote: Throw me some Q-tips, because I'm not hearing, "it's about being a sled dog" there. Maybe he had that attitude before, but certainly not at that point or afterward. This was his defining moment, the one where (as is the case in many of the better stories out there) the character must look at what he has labored long and hard to get, and decide whether or not to give it up. He was willing to give up his dream to help someone else. He knew he could die, or that the other dogs might ostracize him as a traitor, and he decided none of that mattered. His "defining moment", was it? "Not hearing 'it's about being a sled dog' there", huh? You forgot, I suppose, that this *ahem* "defining moment" of Kodi's came after BOTH of his parents gave him a thorough talking to, which led to him hanging his head in shame over the realization of what really and actually mattered to him up to those points: the job and climbing the ranks to eventually become lead dog "like you dad". But let's review the actual lessons in humiliation, right from the script itself... ...oh, first? "Throw me some Q-tips, because I'm not hearing , 'it's about being a sled dog' there." That was needlessly sarcastic. I didn't treat you that way. Of course, I've become accustomed to being manhandled with sarcasm, bullying and baiting. It's constantly tossed at me. Anyway, the turning points, courtesy not of some self-ascribed epiphany on the part of Kodi, but of his PARENTS: Balto: He's not the enemy. He's a man, a nice one! Kodi: But dad, he IS the enemy! He wants to take away our jobs! ------skipping along a bit------ Kirby: ...The difference between a dog and a machine is dogs are tough and reliable! Balto: I thought the difference is only one has a heart. (pause) I'm not gonna let Duke freeze to death out there. Now who's coming with me? (another pause) Kodi? Kodi: (Sighs) I...I don't even think he's out there. Look, my job is to deliver the mail. Balto: I'm sorry you see it that way. ******* Jenna: Kodi? Kodiak, come here!Kodi: Yeah mom? Jenna: What are you doing here? I - I thought you went with your dad. Kodi: No I...I didn't. Jenna: (Sighs) You mean your dad's out there alone? Oh, why didn't you go? Kodi: Well...(sighs, stammering) I don't know. I don't know why he's even looking. Jenna: Oh, Kodi. I don't believe you. There is a man out there...maybe dying! Kodi: We coulda lost our jobs because of that man! Jenna: You think your job is worth more than a life? (sighs) I should've gone with Balto... The problem with classifying either of those as a "turning point" is that there was no turn in either one of them - both carried through with his initial course.
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