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Do you think The Lion King is overrated?
OMG! No way! 64%  64%  [ 53 ]
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  Re: The Lion King - Overrated?
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Wow, I never knew that this topic would still be going strong nearly a year on. I agree somewhat with what dpstq says - I feel that TLK is not the best animated film ever made, but I still think it is a strong contender for the top 10 (animation wise, I find it to be smoother than Balto). But however, I am not all of the people in the world, so whether it's a good or bad film is entirely up to the viewer in question.

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Dosen't seem overrated,but quite successful

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2. I don't like Mufasa one bit. I know that he's supposed to be a wise and likable character but I'm with Scar here - I felt he was a real bully. I find myself feeling more sorry for the villains then I did for Mufasa. I know that there's nothing wrong with liking a villain but I find it concerning that I feel sorry for a cruel dictator.


I don't see how Mufasa was a bully. Actually, we didn't get to see much character in him. All we know is that he was a respected king who had a mate and a son and a jealous brother. On the other hand, we know that Scar wanted to be king so badly that he killed his own brother and attempted to kill his nephew(by first making him think his father's death was his fault THEN ordering three hyenas to kill him). So, who's the bully here?

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And also, it seems that the lionesses can't fight Scar unless one male lion joins them.


Yeah, that part of the movie annoyed me. Especially since Nala says that she left to find help. So finding ONE LION(that really should be weak and malnourished since he practically grew up eating nothing but bugs) is such a big help? :roll:

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The thing about people who compare TLK to Kimba is that rarely, none of them have seen Kimba. I have, and can say most of the similarities lie in character designs and situations, and very little, if any, of the actual story is taken. Also, The Simba/Kimba name thing a coincidence because Simba means "Lion" in Swahili.

Anyway, the thing that makes TLK great is that it's basically Hamlet retold for kids. The dialogue is well written, the characters are nicely developed, and the VO's are spot on (especially Jeremy Irons as Scar). The story is also better told than a vast majority of animated films.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:20 am 
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Ara Darkfire wrote:
I really don't think this sort of statement should be here. I'm an avid Lion King fan - have been since June 1994 when it first came out in theaters. Yes, it is true that there is a lot that can be discussed in regards to The Lion King and Kimba the White Lion and their various connections. Oh, and UK, the people connected to the Kimba franchise were up in arms, back in 1994 when the The Lion King was released, however I do not recall a lawsuit ever being filed. I still remember it quite clearly...

But anyway, I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of accusations are coincidental. In fact, what the film is heavily inspired from is explicitly Shakespeare's Hamlet. Now I'm going to assume that most of you aren't familiar with the works of Shakespeare so I'm gonna just condense it... A lot:

Prince Hamlet's uncle Claudius kills King Hamlet, Claudius becomes king and marries Prince Hamlet's mother. Prince Hamlet grapples with what he should do, is told by the deceased King Hamlet that Claudius killed him and goes to avenge his father. Sound familiar? It should. Simba's uncle Scar kills Mufasa, Scar becomes king and evidently attaches himself to Sarabi. Simba goes off into the world, not sure really of what to do. The ghost of Mufasa comes to Simba and practically tells Simba to avenge him. However, Simba does not kill Scar, simply do to the dualistic nature of the vast majority of Disney films (the good guy never kills the bad guy).

The Lion King is also inspired by Bambi (which was also an inspiration to Kimba: The White Lion - not to mention the Disney company's involvement with Kimba), various Biblical tales, as well as African folklore.

In other words, perhaps there were some factors inspired from Kimba, but not enough to say that it is a direct copy. Kimba deals more with making the world a better place between humans and animals, whereas that message is entirely absent in The Lion King and its sequels. Perhaps the best message that can be deduced from the Disney film is that (quoting Spider-Man) "With great power comes great responsibility." In other words - Mufasa was a good king and knew how the balance operated within the kingdom, and Scar did not. Simba, with Mufasa's aid, also knew what would be expected of him, and thus the balance of the pridelands was restored.

So if you really think hard about it - or any pair of films that has coincidences within it - all you can really know for truth is that human cultures are essentially similar and ideas are recycled and changed.

As to the other allegations which have not yet been discussed:
1. The similarity of Claw and Scar - could be partially be based upon the idea of duality (black/dark=bad, white/light=good). Scar's design is also based primarily on the now-thought-to-be-extinct Cape lion, the males of which were most notable for their black manes, which tufted behind their forelegs and stretched to the mid-abdomen.

2. Mufasa is not a major character. He is there primarily for exposition as well as being a symbol of a good leader. Also, in lion prides, the males run the show, to the point of infanticide. The females may try to fight the male, but usually fighting comes down to being between members of the same sex.

3. Hyenas may have gotten a bad reputation, but in a lot of respects, it has been earned (please note, I do like hyenas, as they are one of the species in which females run the show). If you watch the documentaries regarding the relationship between the spotted hyena and the common lion, you will know that the two species are in a constant state of war - one of the few notable cases of non-human species engaging in the killing of one another without actually consuming the kills (the other species to my knowledge that wages war is the chimpanzee). In other words, lions and hyenas kill one another over food and territory. If a group of hyenas come across a lone lion, they will kill it - and vice-versa. The war between lions and hyenas is one that is fairly well documented. And remember, at the end of the first film, it is the hyenas that finally kill Scar after he betrays them, so they are not completely at his beck and call. Please also note that wolves and bears do not actually fare well in film. Wolves, in particular, have been made out to be the bad guy on more than one occasion, often revived through animation. In any case, for population purposes, all of the species that you have mentioned, Canis, have not fared well in the real world. But also remember, the film is taken from the perspective of the lions, not the hyenas.

4. As for the baboon and mandrill connection (until recently -2005ish- baboons and mandrills have been grouped under baboon). Baboons are actually fairly intelligent primates - likely the closest related monkey to the apes. The fact of this matter is that baboons can and do face off with lions - the size of their canine teeth sometimes does call off an attack.

And finally for the circle of life thing - again another idea from human cultural folklore... Thus, the human brain functions are generally the same physically (as the species is one species), you get similar if not the same ideas culturally.

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Also, the only lawsuit against the film has been from the family of the man who wrote "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" - in 2004.



That was the most perfect post that could ever be posted XD

I'd like to add my opinion to this, even though Ara pretty much said it all.

I love the Lion King. It has been my favourite movie since I first saw it when I was 7 or 8 (I'm 12 now). Why? Well, not only does it have a beautiful message, brilliant songs, animation AND voice actors, it has a mix of historic literature, native African 'things' (lol, sorry for lack of a better word) and knowledge of the natural behaviours and lives of lions.
Heck, they even got all those exotic animals in the studio from zoos etc. to increase their knowledge of anatomy and get the feel of the characters.
For example, the reason Simba was so fitting is that they combined the appearance of the real lion cub, Disney art, and the voice actor (Extra features on my TLK Special Edition 2-Disc DVD).

And yes, in real life, an adult male lion will go out of his way to kill a female hyena matriarch. Besides, look what happened when Scar let "...lions and hyenas come together, in a great and glorious future!" There was no food, not because they all had to feed Scar, but because that many predators did not fit in with their 'Circle of Life'.

And well, when you talk about how the lionesses and how it was annoying that they couldn't have just overthrown him themselves, would that make sense? What good would an all-female pride do? No cubs, and their whole society would fall apart (NOT because I'm being sexist (I'm a girl) but because I'm being realistic) and Nala left to find help. Not to find Simba, she thought he was dead.

Yes, while I enjoy Balto and it is an under-rated film (though Balto has nothing to do with this discussion) it's definitely not the masterpiece that The Lion King is.

By the way, another you have over-looked is the actual way the lions are drawn. They certainly look lion, however their movements and facial expressions are a unique combination of both. Here I compare:

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Come on. No contest.

Which, all in all, the main reason Lion King is no. 1, is the DRAMA. That is undeniable.

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you know this is apparent that some of the people that agree with the creator of this topic don't like lion king so it's no excuse to shovbe it in other peoples faces.


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vitani baby wrote:
you know this is apparent that some of the people that agree with the creator of this topic don't like lion king so it's no excuse to shovbe it in other peoples faces.

No one is really being mean to any one, if they are, just report, it's more easy than getting off topic.

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your making no sense no one is being rude


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I made TLKS because The lion king was probably my childhood favorite (along with Basil of baker street) and I find it deserves the title of Masterpiece, although I also think that a LOT of other animated films deserve that title as much as The lion king.

VividLegacy => Strange, I find the Balto screenshot much better than the Lion King one (at least the characters are drawn *differently*...), although less "clean" (don't forget that the picture of Balto has not been restored, unlike The lion king)

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Well, wont we have a interesting flame war here? No kidding. We will, Canis Lupus. Don't forget that TLK fans actually come here. We are sick of Balto fans invading our boards and saying 'Balto is better, TLK is soo overrated.' because we could all march up to the Balto board and say 'We love TLK and Balto is not our favourite!'. But we don't. Steet made BS and LKS for a reason. You are asking for people to complain. Thats my opinion.


I hope this situation will resolve due to other films getting their place on the forums soon...I mean, there is a dedicated section for each of the films, so there's no need to battle over something like this.

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steet wrote:
VividLegacy => Strange, I find the Balto screenshot much better than the Lion King one (at least the characters are drawn *differently*...), although less "clean" (don't forget that the picture of Balto has not been restored, unlike The lion king)


Really? Well, that's your opinion, but the way the TLK one is drawn, mostly how expressive the eyes are, in my opinion is a whole lot better. One thing I liek about TLK better than Balto is that the random characters that speak very few (or no) lines are drawn almost, if not as good as the main characters.

Like, in the TLK screenshot, the only one of those lioness's that even talks is Sarabi, yet they are drawn with the same (or almost the same) quality as Simba. Yet, compare Nikki, Kaltag, Star and the random black and white dog to how Balto is drawn. It's like they don't care about their supporting characters! :O

One other thing, though. Ever notice how Balto is never shaded? Only when there are direct shadows from above, and even then...

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It took me all day but I have read through all of this topic carefully, at the start I thought that there was no point in reading it because nearly everyone was acting like little kids, but they seemed to have left (thank goodness), the comments some of them were coming out with were unbelievable.

Just a quick thing before I say about what I think about the actual question that was asked, but with the Balto/LK pictures, it might just be me but Balto's expression looks almost exactly the same as the middle lioness's, someone might think differently but I think it it very similar.

Anyway, the answer is maybe, the Lion King has been publicized a lot, but it is popular because people like it, I wouldn't go so far as to call it a masterpiece, but it is good, the first one anyway.

TLK 1 was very good with atmosphere and mood and the like, the characters were good and the whole thing was quite well animated (but I have seen better). I have not seen Kimba the white lion, and because of that I am not going to bring it into the argument, and I haven't seen Balto either but from what I have heard about the first Balto it is one on my 'to watch' list. I think most films are overrated to some extent, there is a lot of publicizing (correct me if I have grasped the wrong end of the stick of the meaning of overrated), but it is usually because they are good films.

I didn't like what they did with Simba in the second film, he was likable in the first film but then he just got annoying, and TLK 1/2 was just silly, they should have just left it at two films rather than ruining the whole lot by making a corny remake of the first film.

The first film is not a masterpiece or really overrated, it is a great film and I love it, and that is my honest opinion.

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*Sighs then growls*
My, my...*shakes head*
I have alot to explain...

1. The Lion King is a masterpiece because first of all, they gave the characters depth and emotion. When Simba found his father dead, it was a very sad and touching moment. You don't get to see dead bodies in alot of kids movies. Depth, because of Scar and Mufasa's background (I suggest you do a little research on that subject, dear, because I can't write all of that). And also it as the first Disney movie to have a plot that the writers made up on their own.

2. Kimba.
*sighs* Kimba, Kimba, Kimba...
Unlike the Lion King, Kimba did not have a rich plot line. Instead, it was that a cute little white lion cub (who seems to be a bit of a gary-sue if you ask me) who every week, would get into some crazy shinanigan. Also, Kimba did not have a sequal, now did he? Nor did he have to deal with being blamed upon his father's death, or nearly getting his friends ravaged by a trio of hyenas. Kimba had it easy. Besides, Kimba was only on for a year or so, and in my opinion, did not teach kids valuable lessons or still be cherished by adults.

3. Hyenas.
I did not understand what you tried to say about them.
Sure, the hyenas (who are some of my favorite characters) might be goofy, silly, or even stupid, but in fact they are given depth and perseption. When Scar is throw off Pride Rock, the hyenas (who had heard Scar blame them) actually end up devouring Scar alive. *Shudders* And if you watch, Ed, the supposed 'stupid' one, is the one who understands Scar's betrayl. Now if you've read up on Scar's past, it is presumed that Scar knew the hyenas when they were pups. Think about it. Yes, what they did to Scar was bad, but think what he did to them. He lied, manipulated, the list goes on (and no, I don't have anything against Scar. He's my favorite actually.) and on. At least they got the facts right (like Shenzi bing the dominant, as female hyenas are).

*Nods* There you go. Maybe you should re-watch the Lion King and think about.
Alot.

Oh, and one thing! You shouldn't feel weird for liking a bad guy. That means they added something realistic to the character. Geez.

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Time for my say. ^^

I have a blog going, originally a project for English class, where I regularly sit down with a "traditional" 2D animated movie, watch it, and review it. I cover both films I have seen and films I haven't seen. Now, since it would take forever to retype everything, I invite you to take a look at my entries for both movies.

TLK: http://animationrevisited.blogspot.com/ ... -roar.html
Balto: http://animationrevisited.blogspot.com/ ... nines.html

Sorry to anyone who gets offended, but to me, TLK comes across as a lot deeper than Balto, with better (read "less predictable") action/drama. That's all I really have to say.

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Everything that needs to be said already has.

I, personally, am not a large fan of Balto.
Though I must admit the movie is underrated, I still don't see how it can be compared to The Lion King.

Like Steet, I've grown up watching TLK, and it has been one of my favorites or years.
In fact, I only come to Animation Source for TLKS.
Rarely will I be found on the Balto side.

As for the topic question: Is The Lion King Overrated?, I say:

1] The Lion King has been a favorite to many people worldwide since 1994.
We already know for a fact that Disney took a few pointers from Kimba.
However, Kimba and TLK are much different.
I see The Lion King as a more ''modern'' version -- one that children may be able to understand a bit more and, may even be able to enjoy a bit more than Kimba.

2] I think you're going a bit far in saying that TLK ''stereotypes'' hyenas.
They may make them look like followers to the lion Scar (which, by the way, is completely unrealistic. In nature, lions and hyenas are mortal enemies. You'll need to do more research on that, though.), but real-life hyenas aren't the cleanest animals in Africa, nor are they the brightest.

3] The Lion King has introduced a series of memorable characters (and sequels) that Balto simply could not offer.
Balto, to me, seems like an everyday superhero story -- the damsel in distress, the hero who comes to her aid, and the Hitler-like villain.
TLK, on the other hand, brought to us a series of villains (Scar, the hyenas, Zira, her pride, Vitani, etc.) and numerous conflicts.
Another interesting trait of the Disney film is the Shakespeare-like storyline.
Even the sequel is based on one of Shakespeare's plays - The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.

I actually don't think that TLK is given enough credit nowadays.
Kids spend their time watching modern TV shows instead of classical movies such as this one.
Both Balto and TLK deserve more credit than they could ever receive.

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