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Wolves and dogs are the same species. Canis Lupus and Canis Lupus Familiaris. One is domestic and one is "wild".

Wolfdogs nowadays very rarely have wild stock in them, because the wolfdog parents are domestic and have been for several generations.

I'm not trying to 'glamorize' them. I'm just trying to educate people about them, since most everyone here on the Sources thinks poorly of them and, really, they hate them. There are countless supporters of pitbulls here, so I have to be the educated voice for the wolfdog, even if it means I stand alone (which it's pretty obvious that I do).

Once again, a low-content wolfdog will act in the same manner as a pure husky, malamute or other northern breed. So to classify a low-content wolfdog as a "wild animal" is very naive.

A mid-content wolfdog will often act in the same manner as a Czech wolfdog, Tamaskan wolfdog or Sarloos wolfdog. These wolfdog breeds have been bred for many years, and there is no wold stock in them. They are also not wild animals.

A high-content wolfdog will act in very much the same manner as a pure wolf, despite not having any newly introduced "wild" blood.

I do know of several people who own high-contents and pure wolves, and with proper socialization, these animals have been known to be tremendous ambassadors and are extremely gentle and friendly. I'm not saying that all high-contents or pure wolves will act in this manner, even if they are socialized as pups, but it can be none with a good many of them.


The only reason I used 'mutts' as an example is because it actually does fit to what I was saying. Wolves and dogs are NOT 2 different species, they are, in actuality, really just 2 different breeds. Wolves themselves come in several different breeds- Arctic wolf, timber wolf, Tundra wolf, British Colombian wolf, Mexican red wolf, Mexican grey wolf, Ethiopian wolf and, before they went extinct, Carpathian wolf (used to make the Sarloos wolfdog).

So, one must not make the mistake of considering wolves and dogs to be 2 separate species. They are the same species. The term wolfdog 'hybrid' is actually an incorrect term, which is what confuses a lot of people. Wolfdogs are not true 'hybrids' since they are the same species. A hybrid animal is almost always born sterile (i.e., a mule). Wolfdogs are capable of reproducing.

I have a problem with the title mainly, while some hybrids can be mild manor some will kill you.


Experts disagree.

Hybrids cause various problems
Lockwood, who has studied problems related to wolf hybrids around the country, says these animals are less apt to become vicious toward people than they are to cause other problems that often land them in local animal shelters.

If wolf hybrids often turn out to be a disappointment for their owners, they pose a real threat to the wild wolf population. Exterminated throughout most of the country decades ago, wolves are just beginning to make a comeback, thanks to the determined efforts of wildlife groups and a gradual shifting of public opinion in favor of restoring natural habitats. Small numbers of wolves have migrated from Canada to remote areas of Minnesota and Montana, and a controversial reintroduction effort has restored healthy wolf populations to remote areas in Idaho and near Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming and Montana. (The Oshkosh Northwestern, Experts: Wolf-dog hybrids don't make safe pets)

" They get bored, and because
they're very strong, they almost
always escape, injuring themselves
or others in the process. They go
after neighbors' dogs, they jump
fences and get hit by cars, they
jump out of windows, they eat
your house. "


- Randall Lockwood
animal behaviorist (The Oshkosh Northwestern, Experts: Wolf-dog hybrids don't make safe pets)


The population of wolf hybrid dogs has increased significantly in recent years, with experts estimating that over one million of the pets are living in the United States currently. But are wolf hybrids safe? Many think that the wolf-dog mixes are more prone to dog bites, dog attacks, and dog maulings than other types of more domesticated animals.

Research done on wolf hybrids have concluded that no amount of socialization or training may be sufficient to make all of wolf hybrids safe to keep as pets. While some wolf hybrids are docile and non-aggressive, a higher percentage of wolf hybrids are likely to be dangerous and prone to attack humans and other animals. In fact, dog bite statistics show that wolf-dogs hold the sixth position in dog bite fatalities by breed. (Dangerous Dog Alert: Wolf Hybrids More Likely To Bite | Dog Bite & Dog Attack Attorney)

• In Greentown, Indiana, a seven-year-old Devin Dewitt was attacked by two wolf hybrids owned by his family. He needed surgery to repair the injuries on his chest, arms, and face.
• In Saginwaw, Michigan, a two-year-old girl lost her finger after sticking her hand into a wolf hybrid pen.
• In Ishpeming, Michigan, a five-year-old was mauled to death by a relative’s wolf hybrid that was adopted out from the local animal shelter.
• In Wayne, Michigan, a two-year-old boy was killed after wandering too close to a chained wolf hybrid.
(Dangerous Dog Alert: Wolf Hybrids More Likely To Bite | Dog Bite & Dog Attack Attorney)


So no...they're not awesome. A lot are violent. If you own one be sure to follow these regulations and double check with your town's regulations.

Any breed of dog can get bored easily, especially intelligent ones like huskies, malamutes, German shepherds, etc...

I've even seen labs and retrievers get bored or nervous and rip the house apart when the owners aren't paying attention.

I've had neighbors who had chihuahuas that go after neighbor's dogs, have had a German Shepherd jump out of a window, I've seen so many different breeds get hit by cars and countless huskies I've known to jump fences and run away from home....so please don't make it like wolfdogs are the only ones who do things like that.

And of all the many different animal shelters I've ever been to, I've seen maybe 2 wolf hybrids. Most of the shelter dogs are pit bull mixes, labs and chihuahuas.

Unfortunately, because of negative stories from 'experts' and uneducated people who had no business owning a wolfdog, most wolfdogs that are brought to shelters are euthanized immediately. Very few actually make it to a sanctuary or a better home.





The key word in there is "think". Just because they 'think' wolfdogs are more prone to negative things doesn't mean it's a fact.




Of course not ALL wolfdogs can be safe (can every individual of ANY breed be safe?). High contents shouldn't be kept as 'pets' at all. And, being a wolfdog owner myself, I NEVER consider them 'pets'. They are companions simply because they are too self-aware and intelligent to really be considered 'pets'. Some are more dependent on their owners then others, but really, only very low contents should be considered pets.

Once again, they key word, in this case, is "likely". All of these 'experts' are simply going on theories and, believe it or not, bad stories from uneducated people who had no right owning a wolfdog in the first place. Just because the experts 'think' that most wolfdogs are 'likely' to be aggressive doesn't make it true. Seems these experts are just as uneducated as the bad owners.

Wolfdogs are NOT for everyone. Even low-contents are not for everyone. Not everyone is smart enough or strong enough to own a wolfdog. The animal itself should not be blamed for their human's incompetence.




Once again, the blame for ANY breed of dog that bites falls on the owners. I've been a wolfdog owner for 14 years and NEVER have any of my wolfdogs attacked anyone or anything. This is because I'm a responsible, knowledgeable owner. I socialized mine as pups and taught them who the pack leader is. Maybe if more people did research on certain breeds before getting them, the poor animals wouldn't have such a bad reputation.





If there's a news article about this, I'd sure love to see it. There's two sides to every story. I'm NOT saying the animals aren't guilty, but I am saying there could have been contributing factors:

a) child improperly educated on how to treat the animals/teasing the animals
b) animals themselves were raised improperly by uneducated owners





In these cases, I blame the parents. NEVER EVER let your child wander too close to an unfamiliar animal. And NEVER let your child stick their hand into an animal's enclosure!!! What were these parents thinking?

Also, one should NEVER chain a wolfdog. This was the owners' fault. Anyone who knows anything about wolfdogs knows that you should NEVER chain a wolfdog.

These are cases of the animals being blamed for the incompetence of the owners/neighbors.







Wolfdogs that wind up in the animal shelter are troubled creatures because they were previously owned by someone who, once again, was uneducated and unfit to own a wolfdog. I've always felt that shelter dogs are questionable and shouldn't be allowed with young children.


In each of the cases mentioned, was there any information on the content of the wolfdogs in question?


Many times, wolfdogs are getting the blame for things done by wolf-looking dogs (dogs with no wolf in them).








Once again, the entire breed is blamed for the idiocy of some irresponsible owners and incompetent parents.


Wolfdogs as a whole are complex animals who require owners with a great deal of patience, intelligence and understanding. But so many people believe that if they read a book or visit a forum, it makes them automatic experts, so they run out and a get a wolfdog, either as a pup or an adult from the shelter (who has no real background on its behavior) and then are SHOCKED when the animal is not what they expect.

And because they made a mistake, it falls on the shoulders of the wolfdog, who didn't ASK for a moron as a leader, and that animal along with all others of its kind, are marked as 'evil, aggressive, violent things that shouldn't be owned by anyone'.


Like with ANY creature, one must do a ton of research, get BOTH sides of the story, and talk to knowledgeable breeders BEFORE even considering the pet in question.

Not all breeds have been known to have temperamental issues that are caused by genetics rather than upbringing.


How many have you been to exactly?


You mean the stories of these hybrids killing their kids or attacking them? Or how the educated professionals explain how a wolfdog can become aggressive and harm family members?
Yeah, I wouldn't take that chance for my family.

And do you know why? Because they do tend to bite. There are cases of it. Naturally it doesn't apply to every hybrid but they're well known for it.

"Theory

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

Example: It is known that on June 30, 1908 in Tunguska, Siberia, there was an explosion equivalent to the detonation of about 15 million tons of TNT. Many hypotheses have been proposed for what caused the explosion. It is theorized that the explosion was caused by a natural extraterrestrial phenomenon, and was not caused by man. Is this theory a fact? No. The event is a recorded fact. Is this this theory generally accepted to be true, based on evidence to-date? Yes. Can this theory be shown to be false and be discarded? Yes. "
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry ... theory.htm
Not really the definition you paint, there are cases for this theory, and they have proof for it. It's not really that they dislike the wolfdog, it's because it tends to be true.



First of all, a wolfdog is not a breed.

http://drfoxvet.com/info/Wolf-Not-Pet
And here
Sum it up. While not all attack people, some will. And thank you, I did do research. It's how I found articals, news reports, and several Doctors statements on the matter. You cannot blame every wolfdog attack on the owner, because a wolfdog is not stable all the time.

At least a dozen, between Nevada, California and Oregon. I HAVE seen a few on PetFinder.com. But one must always remember that just because it LOOKS like a wolfdog doesn't mean it IS one. Lots of shelters mis-label breeds all the time.





So, wolfdogs are the only ones who attack people, hmm? Please, check these out:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ttack.html

A veterinary clinic worker had her arm ripped off by five-year-old pit bull in a vicious, bloody attack.

Laura Miller, 43, was cleaning cages at Parkway Animal Hospital, Florida, on Thursday when the dog pounced, taking her underarm between its jaws and 'violently shaking her', according to the Bay County Sheriff's Office.
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http://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com/index.php


U.S. fatal pit bull attacks have surpassed 180 since 1998; the last year the CDC studied fatal dog attack data. In the 20-year period of the CDC study, pit bulls averaged 3.8 deaths per year. During a recent 7-year period (2005 to 2011), they averaged 18.3 per year, up roughly 480%.
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http://www.northjersey.com/clifton/Clif ... ister.html

A 9-year-old city boy was being hailed as a hero Wednesday for calling 911 while his older sister was being mauled by the family’s pit bull in their house on Starmond Avenue.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cri ... _blog.html

The man, 62, is recovering at a local hospital, authorities said. He was bitten many times from head to toe, said Arlington police spokesman Dustin Sternbeck. The attack was unprovoked, according to Sternbeck.
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http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm

WARNING! This site contains graphic images from the attacks.

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http://www.dogbitelaw.com/dog-bite-stat ... -kill.html

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)



Why Some Dogs Bite:

Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.


An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).


Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack. The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results.

According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.
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http://www.edgarsnyder.com/dog-bite/ger ... pherd.html

Studies have suggested that German Shepherds are more likely to attack and bite humans than some other dog breeds.

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http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article ... in-vaughan

41-year-old Shamaev was heading into Flower Convenience, a variety store in a Glen Shields Ave. strip mall. But as she was pulling open the doors, a large black and tan-colored dog, described by police as “100-pound male” German shepherd, lunged at her, biting through her jacket and the contents of her pocket.

Only a few minutes earlier, police say the dog attacked a 16-year-old girl walking nearby, who was treated for injuries to her shoulder.

Moments later, the animal viciously attacked a 66-year-old man outside. He was taken to hospital, where he received more than 20 stitches for injuries to his neck and arm. Shamaev said she didn’t see the first attack on the girl, but when she entered the store she saw the elderly man, bleeding.
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http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articl ... sd0507.pdf

A woman and her two grandchildren were injured after their family pet broke its chain in the backyard and attacked them Thursday.

According to Mason County Deputy Mike Rigdon, the sheriff's office received a call around 12:15 p.m., concerning a disturbance. Rigdon responded to a location on Lee's Creek Road in Dover where a 96-pound German shepherd had attacked a 51-year-old woman and her two 4-year-old grandchildren.

A DOG ON A CHAIN IS NOT PROPERLY SOCIALIZED. I can't stress this enough. This is yet another attack that could have been prevented if the owners took better care of their dog and socialized it properly.
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http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statis ... s-2011.php

The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls.

Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 74% (157) of the total recorded deaths (213).
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http://www.rottweiler-facts-and-info.co ... z21ZM2Vm7a

A good pro/con site. Explains exactly what I've been trying to say.

Rottweiler attacks, and any other dog attacks happen for a reason, and usually it's due to a combination of one or more listed below.

* Owners that actually train their dog to attack

* Owners that have no idea they need to train their Rottweiler

* Owners that simply don't care about training or socializing

* Breeders that haven't bred for the real Rottweiler temperament

* Backyard breeders and puppy mills that care only about money

* Owners that fail to teach children how to properly treat a dog

* Pack mentality that some dogs get when there are two or more (and they
usually haven't been properly trained)

This site shows how each individual animal can either be GENTLE or VICIOUS and it's often the OWNERS/BREEDERS fault.
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http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/ ... 18822.aspx

ARMED with only their bare hands and adrenalin, two men put themselves at serious risk by fighting off a pair of vicious rottweilers threatening to kill a young boy they had attacked as he walked down a suburban street.

New Toronto West resident Luke Self and mate Steve Rebesco, of Stockton, look set to be recommended for bravery awards after coming to the aid of the 10-year-old boy who was being savaged by the two guard dogs after they had become loose from a nearby business yard late on Sunday afternoon.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/a-rash- ... er-attacks

A Rottweiler killed a 3-year-old girl after attacking her Friday in Fort Worth, one of several similar attacks across the nation this month.

The Rottweiler attacked the toddler after she climbed through a hole in the fence of her backyard and into an enclosed area where the dog was kept, according to reports. The girl had severe head, neck and facial injuries and died at a local hospital, police KTVT CBS Channel 11 in Fort Worth, Texas.

This site also includes several other rotty attacks. I believe this attack could have been prevented if 1) the dog was raised properly and 2) if the parents kept a better eye on their child.
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http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/39344322.html

A 3-month-old Bellevue boy suffered broken ribs after being attacked by a Siberian Husky last Saturday.

Teeth marks covered the infant's stomach and back, painful injuries the dog left after he tried to put the baby in its mouth.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/sto ... -spca.html

"A four-year-old Inuvik, N.W.T., boy and his teenage babysitter are lucky to have survived a vicious attack by a husky-mix dog, according to animal welfare officials in the northern town."

However, the article goes on to say:

"It's not known why the dog attacked Dillon. RCMP have said the pet husky had no history of aggression and was chained at the time of the attack. But Eccles said it's possible the dog may have been bothered while it was eating.

"It was a kennel close to the house, the dog was on a chain. Inside the doghouse was a leg of caribou or some sort of animal bone," she said.

"Anytime you have a bone in a doghouse, and then a child is not attended with a parent or somebody and they get too close, well, that's just asking for something tragic to happen.""

Unfortunately, the husky was later euthanized. This would not have happened if the animal was in a proper enclosure instead of on a chain.
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Diane Whipple was killed on January 26, 2001, by two large Presa Canario dogs.
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http://www.lawyerfordogbite.com/dangero ... stics.html

Wolf hybrid 82(bodily harm) 68(child victims) 4(adult victims) 19(deaths) 46(maimings) .003(% population of the breed)

In a 20-year study, animals THOUGHT to be wolfdog hybrids were responsible for the above attacks. Compare that to the statistics of people who were attacked/killed by some of the other breeds:

Pit bull terrier 1,552(bodily harm) 691(child victims) 529(adult victims) 166(deaths) 859(maimings) .041(% population of the breed)

Rottweiler 457(bodily harm) 262(child victims) 118(adult victims) 73(deaths) 246(maimings) .009(% population of the breed)

Pit bull-mix 102(bodily harm) 44(child victims) 21(adult victims) 7(deaths) 51(maimings)
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http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/01/ ... no-valley/

A large bull mastiff has been caught and quarantined after it attacked a woman and her child Tuesday, biting off part of his ear.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/cane-corso-mas ... d=13714746

[May 29, 2011] Jayelin Graham, 4, was killed Friday, in a brutal attack by a Cane Corso mastiff.
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http://www2.wsav.com/news/2011/feb/24/a ... r-1504002/

"A second dog attack on a child in a week's time in Port Royal. The first was the brutal attack by a Pit Bull on Daniella Ramirez last Thursday. Then, two days later, an 18-month-old was attacked by a Bull Mastiff just a few miles away. The child was taken to the hospital but is going to be okay.
According to reports, this same Bull Mastiff, attacked a three-year-old in the same yard back in October. The victim's family wants to know why the dog was still there after the first bite."

The messed up part is, the mastiff that has a history of attacking CHILDREN was, once again, returned to the owner.
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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/ ... an-scooter

A 77-year old woman suffered deep cuts to her arm, bruises and was seriously traumatized when a Neapolitan Mastiff jumped over a six-foot fence and pulled her off her mobility scooter on July 3 in Gisborne.

This is the second serious report of a Mastiff attack in Grisborne. In 2010, an 18-year-old boy was rushed to hospital after he was “savagely attacked” by a Neapolitan Mastiff in Te Karaka. The dog reportedly ripped the muscles away from the bone on the underside of the boy's left arm, as well as inflicting puncture wounds covering his entire arm and right thigh.
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http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/bullma ... ous-injury

"According to reports by dog bite lawyers in Los Angeles, there have recently been two separate dog bite attacks, the first occurred in the Rubidoux area.

According to the sheriffs office spokesman Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez the first of the two dog attacks occur on Friday afternoon when a man was taking a smoke break in his backyard when what has been termed family pets attacked and killed the man who has not been identified pending notification of family. The man was attacked by a male and female Pit Bull.

Deputies were contacted and the man was pronounced dead at the scene, according to Sgt. Gutierrez it is unclear if the man was the owner of the Pit Bulls. Animal control officer were called and captured the dogs that will be euthanized.

The second dog bite attack occurred in Orange County in the vicinity of Laguna Hills according to County Animal Care Services spokesman Ryan Drabek, three Mastiff’s had to be euthanized after they attacked two people.

It is suspected a gardener might have left a gate open, which is how the dogs became loose, seriously biting a woman and biting a man in the leg when it struck them with a shovel so they would release the woman. The man has been identified as Ed Barnard, who stated the Mastiffs while attacking the woman shook her like a rag doll. This is when he and another neighbor got the dogs off of the woman and when Barnard was bitten in the leg.
The woman who was attack was said not to have life threatening injuries from the three Mastiff’s who weighted approximately 100 pounds each, attacked her."












Well, with that logic, no one should own ANY type of dog, because if you refer to the articles above, you'd see that EVERY dog can/does have the tendency to bite.







As you said, theories can be disproven. Being a subscriber to Wolfdogs Magazine and having many many friends who own wolfdogs SUCCESSFULLY, I have numerous stories to disprove the 'all-wolfdogs-are-vicious' 'theory.'

Again, please refer to my above articles for reasons WHY dogs bite (including wolfdogs.)












I wonder if Dr. Fox has a Facebook. I'd love to ask him how many wolfdogs he's owned and raised, and what he did wrong to make them 'so vicious'. Many people, especially vets and shelter workers, talk about wolfdogs like they've owned them before, yet MOST of them have never owned one, all they here is horror stories from people who, once again, had NO RIGHT owning them in the first place. Like Dr. Fox said, "Macho-types want a ferocious wolflike animal". People who search for an animal with the sheer purpose of seeking 'respect and fear' from others are NEVER appropriate owners for ANY animal. Macho-types who intentionally TRAIN the animal to be vicious are the ones giving the breed a bad name. But, once again, it's much easier to blame the breed itself. How sad.


Nowadays, many mixed breeds are referred to as BREEDS. Labradoodles, Shi-Poos, chiweenies, and yes, even WOLFDOGS. If you want to get technical, wolfdogs are not hybrids at all (someone should let Dr. Fox in on that little detail), so referring to them as such is incorrect.

However such things are very minor technicalities, and it's not worth getting into an argument over them.

Seems to me the only research you did was eagerly search for horror stories (like most people who detest wolfdogs...I guess it helps to feed one's distaste of them by hunting down the worst possible stories. Makes your hatred seem legit.)

I did that too with my articles. If you LOOK for bad news, you're going to FIND bad news. Mind you, I am a fan of rotties, pitties and German Shepherds. But no matter how much you like a certain breed, there's going to be a lot of morons out there who raise said breeds incorrectly and give them a bad reputation. Some breeds are just more idiot-prone then others (such as wolfdogs and bully-breeds).

In the articles I posted, a few of them, like the Pomeranian killing the baby, were NOT provoked. The Siberian husky attacking the baby was not provoked. Even the pet pit bulls people have had for years suddenly 'going off' and attacking family members were not provoked.

ANY INDIVIDUAL OF ANY BREED CAN GO OFF AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. However, this random instability is very rare. MOST dogs attack for a reason, and a huge amount of that reason is placed squarely on the owners who either didn't do a proper job of raising and socializing the animals, or they just were not paying attention to their child. An untrained child sticking its hand into an unfamiliar animal's enclosure or crawling into the neighbors yard can and often will cause the animal to react, often in a violent manner.

People really need to stop blaming the animals for their own stupidity. Take responsibility for once. Train your kids and your animals properly. It will save money, and most importantly, it will save lives.

Wow, I never said that. But thank you for telling me what I already knew.


I'm done.

I KNOW you didn't say it outright, but, looking through your posts, you were certainly implying the heck out of it!





I'd like to address everyone who may be reading through this topic:

With the exception of maybe 1 or 2 people here (who had been saying exactly what I said), I have actual experience with wolfdogs. I have babysat a friend's very high-content wolfdog before and have had countless interactions with wolfdogs of all different contents, raised pups, and I've even been introduced to (and got to pet) REAL wolves before.

Not to mention I've OWNED wolfdogs for 14 years.

Those of you who are interested in maybe getting a wolfdog, do you really want to take the advise from people who read horror stories online? Who get their information from uneducated owners who really had no business getting a wolfdog in the first place? From shelters who have had to deal with troubled animals who now have bad habits because they were raised improperly by poorly educated people?

Or do you want to get your information from someone who has ACTUAL experience with wolfdogs? Who owns them, is educated about them, and who understands them?

Ask yourselves that before taking ANY advice.


When doing research, make sure you get your information from a valid source, from someone with FIRST-HAND experience, not just someone who 'reads stuff'. Make sure the breed you're contemplating about bringing into your home is legal in not only your state, but your county as well.

Make sure they are legal in your country. This must be done for the safety of the animal in question.

If anyone on this site, whether you're in the U.S. or abroad, has any questions about wolfdogs, raising a wolfdog pup or training a wolfdog, please don't hesitate to ask me. I have the knowledge, I have the experience. Get your information from someone who knows, not someone who reads. There's a HUGE difference.

I LOVE wolfdogs, and my goal is to clear up the misconceptions and myths that seem to surround these wonderful creatures. They just get blamed for the incompetence of their owners.

"In the United States, in the`70s, they did the same thing to the Doberman. In the `80s they did it to the German shepherd, in the `90s they did it to the Rottweiler, and now they`re doing it to the pit bull. So whatever dog is in fashion, people are going to blame them for things." ~ Cesar Millan

No. I wasn't. : / I'm not sure why that got in your head, but I wasn't. Please don't put words in my mouth, it's actually very dishonest.

I was bitten by a mutt before, so I'm very aware that wolf-dogs aren't the only ones that bite.

Whatever you wish to believe....




I have been bitten by a dachshund, a pit bull mix, an Australian shepherd and a cattle dog mutt. In the cases of the doxie and the Aussie, I was with the owner on their property, and they assured me 'oh, they won't bite'. In the case of the pit bull mix and the cattle dog mix, I was on the road either checking the mail or heading to the bus stop and the animals came after me.

In the many cases where I've been attacked by a dog, I always knew it was the owners fault. I knew better then to blame the dogs; let alone the entire breed of whatever was attacking me.

I sincerely hope that others who have had bad run-ins with dogs were smart enough to know that 99% of the time it is the owners fault......

Oh? What do you mean by this exactly?

Surely you couldn't be referring to how you've waited my time with your few experiences with wolf-dogs, the hour I spent looking on the internet to find websites that would have the information in a educational manor, than a opinionated one, just for /you/? (And your replies lacked in most anything useful, you actually spent a entire paragraph and more explaining something I /already/ knew)

Or could you be referring to how you repeated yourself, to what I can assume you didn't read my posts in detail, or just didn't care? (Several times I had already answered a question/statement you made in a previous quote, and even in a freakin' article clipping I even found for you.)

Or is it possible that you mean by the experts you refuse to listen to because of your opinion? (which is limited to the wolf dogs you've owned, that most likely are in better condition than others when they are born) Which I even gave you a active Dr. who even has his own website if you googled him?

Or do you mean when I caught you in a dishonest move by trying to say I said something I didn't mean to, but when I caught you, then say I'd implied it?

Wow. : /

MW Roach, stop putting words into The Batman's mouth. You keep fighting with her like this, and this topic will be locked.

So, 14+ years is considered "a few experiences", is it?

And your hour of looking for scary stories on the internet is comparable to MY many years of first-hand experiences? That's interesting.....

I SERIOUSLY doubt that copying someone else's opinion on wolfdogs ("expert" or not) is far more important then the "opinion" of someone who actually OWNS them.




I repeat myself because people don't pay attention (and when they hate something, they don't care about the positive opinion, therefore they don't wish to read it). And I read your posts in detail. I just find it difficult to debate with someone who has absolutely no first-hand experience in the thing they're debating about.

Evidently, you're the one who didn't read MY posts. Because if you did, you'd have seen my rebuttal against the 'article clipping'. Yes, I must even question the Fantastic Dr. Fox on his past experiences with wolfdogs, and what he did wrong in raising such a terrible brute of an animal that causes him to believe that they are horrible pets. Because unless he has first-hand experiences with them, and is not just going on scary stories, his 'opinion' means as much to me as yours.




Once again, unless the experts have owned/raised wolfdogs before, it's really hard for me to take them seriously. People think that if they read some articles on a website, or talked to a few people who shared horrific stories and were uneducated and shouldn't have owned a wolfdog in the first place, it makes them an 'expert'.

(((Now I'm by no means claiming that I'M an expert. All I'm claiming is that I have experience and am a long-time owner of wolfdogs. Really, if I wanted information on something, I'd rather have the opinion of someone who has first-hand experience instead of the opinion of someone who read a book)))

Again, you must not have read my posts thoroughly, because if you did, you'd see that I have experience not only with my OWN wolfdogs, but with many others as well.




Oops...there I go repeating myself again! XD




So, I'm the dishonest one because YOU said something you didn't mean to? Well how on earth was I supposed to know you didn't mean to?

Instead of blaming ME for reading what you wrote, perhaps you should proof-read your posts better. It sure would save you from incorrectly accusing someone of being 'dishonest'.



In any case, I've made my point. This seems to be getting off-topic anyway.

So lock it if you want, Brown Wolf.

And, not to be disrespectful, but if you would be so kind as to go back and read through the posts thoroughly, you'd see that I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth.

Is this all about which dogs are most likely to bite people? cuz I cant tell cuz theres so much bs in there that its kinda funnyXD

Truth is 75% of the time dogs bite are cuz of the owner, or people teasing it without you knowing it and the dog pays the price, its up to you to raise it so what ever a dog does the blame lies on you, also they could have a brain defect aswell that couse this, but again its up to you to find these things out.

St Bernards are the dogs known for turning on there owner due to how there treated, Pit bulls are on the restricted list, so if you don't inform your vet that you have one, its highly illegal and you will have to pay a fine and have your dog takin away, its not cuz there vicious dogs, its cuz of there lock jaw, when they bite there jaw locks and only ways to get them off is tare them off so if there biting someones leg

The junk of the leg goes with it, there jaws don't pry open like other dogs, you can try but ultimately you will have to snap there jaw or kill them on the spot, thats where the bad rep comes from.

As for wolf dogs I personaly love them, iv never had a problem with them^^ but to the guy who said he got bite by many diffrent dogs maybe its couse dogs just dont like youXD some people dogs just don't like and being bit by many diffrent kinds well is hinting at it lol dogs know us better then then we know each other^^

So lay off her a bit yo cuz I think theres a cross in comunication and its making you take things the wrong wayXD so chill and hug cuz after all fighting here is stupid especially when it just seems like a misunderstanding^^ So now you hug!XD

(Sorry for double post, wouldn't let me type moreXD)

I'm a girl, first of all. Second of all, perhaps you should go back and re-read my posts, particularly, the one you were referring to.

But allow me to elaborate on each of the occasions.

In the case where I was attacked by a pit bull mix, the KIDS let the dog out and the dog ran over to me and attacked my dog, who I was walking on a leash. I got scratched up during this occasion because my poor dog (a young wolfdog pup, by the way) was trying to press against me to avoid being killed by the pit bull.

Does that mean that dogs don't like me?

On the occasion I was bitten by a cattle dog mix: I was walking to the bus stop and the owner of the dog let the animal off the leash (she kept it chained up). The animal had a KNOWN history of attacking people at random. I was just a kid trying to go to school. The owner not only was at fault for keeping her animal chained up, but she was also at fault for allowing a vicious animal to roam off leash near a school bus stop. (it was vicious only because she failed to socialize it as a pup).

Again, is this my fault???

The owner who had the aussie shepherd and the doxie often had me come to her house and help her with her livestock. After she told me the dogs 'were okay', and they attacked me, she revealed afterwards that 'oh, they bite sometimes, sorry'. So in this case, the owner had poorly socialized dogs AND was a liar to boot.


I have been in a situation in which a vicious pit bull next door to me ONLY liked me. He would lunge at his owners, at the owner's kids and anyone else that came near him (again, a poor chain up animal who wasn't properly socialized.) But, for some reason, he adored me, and even protected me from some bad people on one occasion (I hid in his dog house and he stood in front of it, snarling at the people who were trying to get at me). I was only 9 years old at the time.