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 Post subject: Re: Alaska is killing off the Wolves
PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:25 am 
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Spaying/neutering wild wolves would not work at all.

Not only would the operation be HUGE, with having to tranquilize and operate on all the wolves; it may result in fighting between them and mess up the balance of the packs.
I'm only speaking out of the little knowledge I have but they'd easily be able to recognize that something was different/wrong about the neutered animals. I just don't think it would be a viable solution.

The current solution to wolf overpopulation is fine. People may not like it but allowing hunters to hunt excess wolf numbers works.
The helicopter culling and the poisoning is another matter entirely but the legal hunting isn't a problem.

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Perhaps they could pick up a bunch of Wolves and bring them back to Great Britain?

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Perhaps they could pick up a bunch of Wolves and bring them back to Great Britain?

That'd still cost alot of money, which I doubt they have.

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mess up the balance of the packs.


So would killing root members of the pack in legal hunts Px

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mess up the balance of the packs.


So would killing root members of the pack in legal hunts Px

But they can afford the legal hunts I bet. But pest control NEEDS to happen.

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mess up the balance of the packs.


So would killing root members of the pack in legal hunts Px

But they can afford the legal hunts I bet. But pest control NEEDS to happen.


I would hardly call a wolf a "pest" =\

All though I disagree with hunting. Period. I find it disgusting how people find joy of killing another living being.

Carnivores and herbivores got along fine before people found the need to "hunt". People are the real issue. But Godforbid they actually see it that way.

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I would hardly call a wolf a "pest" =\
All though I disagree with hunting. Period. I find it disgusting how people find joy of killing another living being.
Carnivores and herbivores got along fine before people found the need to "hunt". People are the real issue. But Godforbid they actually see it that way.


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I would hardly call a wolf a pest. :/

Depends on how you look at it actually.

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Wolves are a relatively successful hunter and once they're introduced to an area (either by their own doing or human intervention) as long as prey is abundant they'll breed and spread very quickly, obviously killing a lot of the prey species as they do.
As horrible as it sounds, sometimes an eco-system simply can't regenerate the prey species as fast as the wolves kill them resulting in a problem and the clearest solution is to remove some of the predators. Be they wolves or bears.
Unless an area can successfully regenerate the prey species when left alone (say, like in Yellowstone. It seems to be working out very well there, aside from there so many wolves now they're leaving the park boundaries.) then culling is used pretty often.


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Alaska is killing off the wolves due to saving the carabou calves


On the internet, it may seem different to you, but if you lived in Alaska, and were working to help the carabou, I'm sure you would see things differently. They might think they are pests for some certain reasons. But, to each opinion our own.

But I agree with you about people being the real issue. If we didn't take up so much space, I'm sure it would help them.

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I would hardly call a wolf a "pest" =\

All though I disagree with hunting. Period. I find it disgusting how people find joy of killing another living being.

Carnivores and herbivores got along fine before people found the need to "hunt". People are the real issue. But Godforbid they actually see it that way.


They are pests. They're overpopulated in Alaska, so the deer's numbers are being lowered.

And who gets joy out of it? it's not for fun or sport - it's for population control. There's nothing wrong with it, it has to happen.

I completely agree with Question.

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I would hardly call a wolf a "pest" =\

All though I disagree with hunting. Period. I find it disgusting how people find joy of killing another living being.

Carnivores and herbivores got along fine before people found the need to "hunt". People are the real issue. But Godforbid they actually see it that way.


They are pests. They're overpopulated in Alaska, so the deer's numbers are being lowered.

And who gets joy out of it? it's not for fun or sport - it's for population control. There's nothing wrong with it, it has to happen.

I completely agree with Question.


Then that is your opinion and the other is mine.

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I would hardly call a wolf a "pest" =\

All though I disagree with hunting. Period. I find it disgusting how people find joy of killing another living being.

Carnivores and herbivores got along fine before people found the need to "hunt". People are the real issue. But Godforbid they actually see it that way.


They are pests. They're overpopulated in Alaska, so the deer's numbers are being lowered.

And who gets joy out of it? it's not for fun or sport - it's for population control. There's nothing wrong with it, it has to happen.

I completely agree with Question.


Then that is your opinion and the other is mine.


It's not opinion - it's fact. Other animals matter too, and the overpopulated wolves are threatening other species. So it has to be done. There's no other way.

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They are pests. They're overpopulated in Alaska, so the deer's numbers are being lowered.

And who gets joy out of it? it's not for fun or sport - it's for population control. There's nothing wrong with it, it has to happen.

I completely agree with Question.


Then that is your opinion and the other is mine.


It's not opinion - it's fact. Other animals matter too, and the overpopulated wolves are threatening other species. So it has to be done. There's no other way.


I've NEVER said that other animals don't matter. I'd have the same opinion no matter WHAT animal. It isn't because it's wolf hunting. I simply do NOT agree with hunting and killing another living thing that has all right to be there. Period.

There's technically always a way around just killing something to solve a problem. As I stated before, carnivores and herbivores got along perfectly fine before humans decided to stick their nose where it does not belong.

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The main problem is territory.

Wolves manage to repopulate themselves rather quickly with a good food source and with a lot of wolves comes a lot of problems. Wolves are classed as pests because it doesn't take long for them to start killing livestock. It's not the wolves' fault (which would you rather chase? Fast and free-running prey or slow prey confined to a field? ) but the farmers cannot afford to lose their livestock, thus it creates a big problem.

Whether we like it or not (heck I know I don't), people do enjoy hunting. I don't personally understand why, it would upset me, but it's one of those things and allowing people who enjoy it to go and hunt whilst bringing down wolf numbers is about the best way to go about it.

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The main problem is territory.

Wolves manage to repopulate themselves rather quickly with a good food source and with a lot of wolves comes a lot of problems. Wolves are classed as pests because it doesn't take long for them to start killing livestock. It's not the wolves' fault (which would you rather chase? Fast and free-running prey or slow prey confined to a field? ) but the farmers cannot afford to lose their livestock, thus it creates a big problem.

Whether we like it or not (heck I know I don't), people do enjoy hunting. I don't personally understand why, it would upset me, but it's one of those things and allowing people who enjoy it to go and hunt whilst bringing down wolf numbers is about the best way to go about it.


Exactly. They become pests when they start killing livestock, because it means an easier kill.

And I can understand why to be honest, even though I wouldn't like to do it myself. It's all about skill, and we are natural predators so there must be thrills in killing. Of course I don't support hunting if it's towards anything endangered - or poaching - but other than that, I have no personal problem with it - whether it's for food, taxidermy, fur or sport. Animals hunt for fun themselves, it's called 'surplus killing'. So, why can't we?

I'm not getting at you of course, just showing you that some people do have different opinions and do understand why.

I support wolf hunting, if it's for a good cause. They're not the least bit endangered (only subspecies are), so where's the problem? Like I've mentioned before, they kill for fun sometimes. Don't believe me? Take a look -

http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/2008 ... pus-2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing (see the references)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr7YiL2zp4U
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2144543

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The states is responcible there have been more killed off there then anywhere else in the world, its sick and sad but im thankful im from the place with the highest wolf population then anywhere else, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing my country is driving them to extinction, lucky groups from here go to different parts of the states and bring them here before there shot, its fun iv been on a alot of group rescue operations already and thanks to that the rate there being killed off is slower but still alot to do, if your from canada or have a residence there you can to, ofcource you have to be of age cuz it can turn bad fast. This winter we are going to Alaska to bring more here so they wont be killed off, really you should come along if you can, iv done it so much im a leader of my own group which has about 150 people so far^^ feels good to help.

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