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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:29 am 
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I think deamons are real, I would do and not just because of Philip Pullman's book.

I did know about my dog a long time ago (she did disappear, just like I thought, so I got my dragon now :D ), when I was only about 7 or something, I looked down by my chair and I saw a small furry fluffy dog by my chair leg, clear as day I swear, and just sitting there watching the teacher with its tail wagging slowly. Amazingly enough I didn't freak out about it or anything, I just thought it was natural for her to be there (definitely a she). After that I kept seeing her, and knowing that she was there, but wasn't there in a way, and that she was a good thing. And then I was bored in a maths lesson that we were doing square roots in, and I randomly asked myself 'I wonder what the square root of 36 is', I had never been told the square root of 36, I didn't work it out, the teacher didn't tell me, but a voice in my head (a female voice), just quietly assured me that it was 6.

Hey you may think I am making it up, but it has been years since I first discovered my dog daemon, and though I am sad she is gone I know she kind of...isn't, and I have my dragon anyway which is a he, and his name (I think) is Kyrana (Ky for short, yes I do love brackets). I have great(ish) conversations with him all the time, even though I am 14 and other people would think it is a bit weird, but I have perfected the art of talking in my head, listening to his jokes, and managing to keep my face straight.


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I'm just saying what I read on a site about real Daemons, I don't know if it's true or not. Besides if it were real, of course scientists wouldn't believe it and make it some sort of mental condition.
I do know about Intrusive thought anyway.

Yes they would obviously not believe in it because they are uncool, not because there is no actual documented proof, or symptoms that could be attributed to other mental conditions, or anything
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I have had a connection with my daemon for about a year. I can say it certainly has been an interesting experience thus far.

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I have had a connection with my daemon for about a year. I can say it certainly has been an interesting experience thus far.

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Ahura Werewolf wrote:
I have had a connection with my daemon for about a year. I can say it certainly has been an interesting experience thus far.

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Could you kindly shut your noisehole? It's okay if you don't believe in them, but you don't need to put down others who do. So shuttup.

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I am not sure whether you are trying to be rude or sarcastic regardless the comment was unwarranted and not appreciated.

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Ahura Werewolf wrote:
I have had a connection with my daemon for about a year. I can say it certainly has been an interesting experience thus far.

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As stated, your comment was absolutely unneeded and, above all, rude.
People have every right to do what they want with their lives, that includes picking their beliefs, and they have every right to live in peace no matter what they think without having others to bring them down.

This, Cone, has earned you a warning and an edit of the post in question.

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I have had a connection with my daemon for about a year. I can say it certainly has been an interesting experience thus far.

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I wasn't being rude, he stated he has a connection with this "Daemon". Now we've already established that a daemon is a voice in your head. He said he created a connection with this "daemon" for a year. What is likely happening is that he is suffering from Schizophrenia, a mental disorder that affects all five senses and may cause: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations. The hallucenations that schizophrenia creates can be both visual and auditory. One person who suffered from auditory hallucinations brought on by schizophrenia(A Beautiful mind exaggerated everything) was John Nash, the 1994 nobel prize winner, for developing Game Theory. If I were you, I would see a doctor to confirm this as schizophrenia may lead to suicide or commiting of violent acts.


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The_Dreaded_Cone wrote:
I wasn't being rude, he stated he has a connection with this "Daemon". Now we've already established that a daemon is a voice in your head. He said he created a connection with this "daemon" for a year. What is likely happening is that he is suffering from Schizophrenia, a mental disorder that affects all five senses and may cause: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations. The hallucenations that schizophrenia creates can be both visual and auditory. One person who suffered from auditory hallucinations brought on by schizophrenia(A Beautiful mind exaggerated everything) was John Nash, the 1994 nobel prize winner, for developing Game Theory. If I were you, I would see a doctor to confirm this as schizophrenia may lead to suicide or commiting of violent acts.

so, you're saying that Ahura is schizophenic(sp?) right? well, so you're saying that only because someone has a daemon, a spirit guide or other things like this has some mental problems?this made me laugh when I've read it!


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is schizophenic(sp?) right? well, so you're saying that only because someone has a daemon, a spirit guide or other things like this has some mental problems?this made me laugh when I've read it!

What? You find rational and logical thinking hilarious? Besides, he said he's talking to his "daemon". We established that "daemons" are are voices in our or spirit animals or something. So unless you can prove that these things are more than hallucinations created by a mental disorder or something, then they are just that, hallucinations.


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The_Dreaded_Cone wrote:
I wasn't being rude, he stated he has a connection with this "Daemon". Now we've already established that a daemon is a voice in your head. He said he created a connection with this "daemon" for a year. What is likely happening is that he is suffering from Schizophrenia, a mental disorder that affects all five senses and may cause: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations. The hallucenations that schizophrenia creates can be both visual and auditory. One person who suffered from auditory hallucinations brought on by schizophrenia(A Beautiful mind exaggerated everything) was John Nash, the 1994 nobel prize winner, for developing Game Theory. If I were you, I would see a doctor to confirm this as schizophrenia may lead to suicide or commiting of violent acts.


My troll-senses are tingling.

Do you mean to suggest that children with imaginary friends (which is basically what a Daemon is; an imaginary friend - an imaginary visual representation of your soul) are schizophrenic? By that logic, you've just said that roughly 70% of the earth's children are, or have been schizophrenic.
Because it is a known fact that most children in our world have, at some point, had an imaginary friend. Some have grown out of it; some have not.


And you have a voice in your head too, Cone. Everyone does. It's the voice that gives you a bad conscience. If you've done something awful, you feel bad about it because your mind keeps telling yourself that you shouldn't have done it.
Does that mean you are schizophrenic?


Logical and rational thinking, you claim to have. I beg to differ.

And quoting things you read when browsing Wikipedia doesn't make you knowledgeable on the subject.

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What? You find rational and logical thinking hilarious? Besides, he said he's talking to his "daemon". We established that "daemons" are are voices in our or spirit animals or something. So unless you can prove that these things are more than hallucinations created by a mental disorder or something, then they are just that, hallucinations.


Wait - so my cooked chicken isn't a cooked chicken because I can talk to it (although not expecting response)?
So, because I speak to myself when I'm bored, that means that I have a mental disorder or something?
Does the fact that I speak to myself when I'm thinking mean that I have a mental disorder? You do realize that most people speak to themselves when they're thinking and trying to solve an issue. This is because it becomes easier to organize your thoughts if you speak them out loud.


I love the way you think and I love your logic.


[edit]: Rational and logical thinking is very subjective. A while back in time, executing criminals was the most logical thing in the world. Become murderers to handle murderers. Yay! Logic! And ethics!
A long time ago, it was rational thinking to assume the world was flat.
A long time ago, it was rational and logical thinking to make preparations in case one would meet Kraken when travelling across the ocean.
A long time ago, it was logical that women were worth less than men.
A long time ago, marrying one's daughters was both a rational and logical result when one's wife passed away.
A long time ago, (according to the stories from the time of the vikings) killing was the most natural and rational thing in the world; everyone could do it and noone would lift an eyebrow.
A long time ago....

Etc. etc.

Like I said, I love the way you think.


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My troll-senses are tingling.

Do you mean to suggest that children with imaginary friends (which is basically what a Daemon is; an imaginary friend - an imaginary visual representation of your soul) are schizophrenic? By that logic, you've just said that roughly 70% of the earth's children are, or have been schizophrenic.
Because it is a known fact that most children in our world have, at some point, had an imaginary friend. Some have grown out of it; some have not.


And you have a voice in your head too, Cone. Everyone does. It's the voice that gives you a bad conscience. If you've done something awful, you feel bad about it because your mind keeps telling yourself that you shouldn't have done it.
Does that mean you are schizophrenic?


Logical and rational thinking, you claim to have. I beg to differ.

And quoting things you read when browsing Wikipedia doesn't make you knowledgeable on the subject.



Wait - so my cooked chicken isn't a cooked chicken because I can talk to it (although not expecting response)?
So, because I speak to myself when I'm bored, that means that I have a mental disorder or something?
Does the fact that I speak to myself when I'm thinking mean that I have a mental disorder? You do realize that most people speak to themselves when they're thinking and trying to solve an issue. This is because it becomes easier to organize your thoughts if you speak them out loud.


I love the way you think and I love your logic.


[edit]: Rational and logical thinking is very subjective. A while back in time, executing criminals was the most logical thing in the world. Become murderers to handle murderers. Yay! Logic! And ethics!
A long time ago, it was rational thinking to assume the world was flat.
A long time ago, it was rational and logical thinking to make preparations in case one would meet Kraken when travelling across the ocean.
A long time ago, it was logical that women were worth less than men.
A long time ago, marrying one's daughters was both a rational and logical result when one's wife passed away.
A long time ago, (according to the stories from the time of the vikings) killing was the most natural and rational thing in the world; everyone could do it and noone would lift an eyebrow.
A long time ago....

Etc. etc.

Like I said, I love the way you think.

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He suggested he heard an actual voice. You refer to thoughts, thoughts, not voices you hear that do not exist. And of course I had an imaginary friend when I was 5. Did I see it, no. Did it talk to me, no. I pretended it was there. I did not see it, here it, smeel it, etc. It did not exist. You talk to yourself, so? Does a voice answer you back? No, probably not. You are not hearing a non-existant voice respond, thus you are just talking to yourself, nothing wrong. And the supposed examples of logic from the past, are not logical things at all, they are cultural ideals.


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The_Dreaded_Cone wrote:
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He suggested he heard an actual voice. You refer to thoughts, thoughts, not voices you hear that do not exist. And of course I had an imaginary friend when I was 5. Did I see it, no. Did it talk to me, no. I pretended it was there. I did not see it, here it, smeel it, etc. It did not exist. You talk to yourself, so? Does a voice answer you back? No, probably not. You are not hearing a non-existant voice respond, thus you are just talking to yourself, nothing wrong. And the supposed examples of logic from the past, are not logical things at all, they are cultural ideals.


Cultural ideas. Which were logical things to the people in said cultures. My point about logic and rational thinking being highly subjective still stands; reinforced by your own.

Technically speaking, I can pretend that I see my imaginary friend. I can pretend that a voice answers me back. I can pretend that I can hear it, smell it, etc. even though it does not really exist. Your point was...?

A thought is a "voice" you hear. Haven't you ever heard someone say (or said so yourself) "Give me some silence; I can't hear myself thinking"? I know I have.
I hear my thoughts as a "voice" which I control with my mind, "voicing" my thoughts to me clearly. Without it, I don't think I would be able to form a thought or an opinion. While it is true it is not an actual voice, it is something you can "hear".

The voice is a part of the subconsciousness - in fact, a scientifically documented fact (according to "Secrets of the Subconscious" by Eddy Schulze - Norwegian, but little-known scientist. And I hope I managed to translate the title correctly; it is only available in Norwegian atm. Recently released).


But I digress...
This topic isn't for discussing whether or not it's rational or logical to believe in Daemons (more commonly known as semi-spiritualism). It's a belief, much like the Christian, Buddhist, Islamic, etc. beliefs.
Personally, I like to envision my "totem animal" (which is a Dhole) to be around me when I'm bored or feeling alone, because it does give me a sense of relief. However, that Dhole works more like a visual representation of my common sense and conscience; when it "speaks", it tells me what I should do and helps me think clearly. It either praises me if I do something that turns out great, or it makes me feel bad about myself if I do something I shouldn't have done (which sometimes ends up in someone else's misery).
That doesn't mean I'm scizophrenic either.

The short version is that one should show tolerance and not stereotypically claim that the person/people here are schizophrenic if they believe in this Daemon thing and then make wild assumptions based on practically no facts at all.


*edit* And I would say my cooked chicken is still fairly cooked.


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