Well, i've always believed that the lionesses didn't like or joined scar at all, and by the way he behaved to Sarabi, we can tell he was a king who didn't care for the 'balance in nature'. Ofcourse, with the hyenas moving in, the herds might move away from the pridelands, making it hard for the lionesses to get food. Then why would anyone join scar? In tlk2, the lionesses fought each other. If they were from the same pride, would they fight? That proves that the lionesses from tlk2 aren't from mufasa's pride at all. If you compare pics, you can tell that they are VERY different. The lionesses might have been zira's old friends or an entire pride, with no male.

i think the makers of tlk2 had no idea of the six new adventur book so they did not know kopa existed

I don't know where people actually got the name "kopa" from but in the original movie book, Simba DID have a son, but it was rather vague and simply mentioned something about a future king. I believe that the idea that Zera killed Kopa is pure fanfiction. Disney decided to have a female lead in the new movie which led to Simba having a daughter.
Referring to the article, I don't know where you got the idea that Kiara was born "way after" Scar's death. Simba and Nala did have a night together before he went back to pride rock so she could easily have been pregnant for the entire time. As for Nala's eyes being blue, I'm fairly sure they WERE blue in the first movie, and besides, they needed to be different to Kiara's in order to make her stand out.

Actually, DannyPhantomess, Kopa was the first born and I believe you are correct on some things but I can't remember the website but it says that Kopa is Simba's first born, but as revenge for Scar's death, Zira killed Kopa. I believe that "Fluffy" is "Kopa" the producers just didn't have a name for him yet. But he is mentioned in the books.

Hello. Here I go.
Kovu was born before kiara.
he had a mane tuft on the top of his head, meaning he had to be at least two years old. Kiara was born after Kovu, so they were not the same age.
My exiled lions theory:
Some lionesses still loved Scar. They were out on a hunt for Scar when Simba returned. Simba exiled those lionesses when they were about to attack him. There were more lionesses on SImba's side than Zira's. Zira was defeated.
"Koba" is actually Kopa. Kopa is not real. Just fanfiction. Disney never mentioned him anywhere. The books with Kopa were not written or published by Disney.

1. It's not "Koba", it's "Kopa".
2. Nala's eyes aren't hazel in the first movie. They're green.

When the song, love will find a way, is on, the first time it says 'now that i've found you' kiara actully hasn't found covu because it's a frog!... Any way, best of luck. xx

tiny mistake with the log thing and the river, anyway, i've noticed one stupid thing in the last scene. When zira dies and kovu sighs (tee hee, little ryme there, tee hee) when you see kovu sighing, his scar isn't there, his scar is on the right hand side of his face in the previos scenes since he got wacked by zira. Next time you will get me and think my point is quite a good one. So when u do woch it next time, see for your-self. thank yoooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuu. xx

In lion king 2 when zira falls into the river and you see her go under the log, you don't see alot of logs flowing in the river when the dam breaks, plus when kiara and kovu are heading back to the pridelands and see that the outlanders and pridelanders are fightinng, when kovu jumps onto the the logs and some go of there angle a little then later when you see the dam breaking up, the dam is perfectly fine and nothing is of angle like it is when kovu jumps onto the logs. Maybe disney were more interested in making the movie more interesting and didnt get the basic point off keeping the movie on the same line and keep it sencible. Next time you watch lion king 2, look out for that dam mistake ok, look out for it. xx

disney always changed the colors of the characters eyes, they did that in bambi with faline. nalas eyes changed green to blue off and on through out the movie. falines eyes went from blue to hazel as an adult. and then blue again. and in lion king has anyone noticed how nalas eyebrows would look thin and in the next scene thicker? that always annoyed me and i wish disney would fix that.

And you can see the difference Simbas mane. and all of the fails!

Ok first of all, nala's eyes are most definatley blue in the first movie. Just go on youtube if you don't own the movie.

Secondly, when you say kiara was born way after scar died, there's really no proof of that. She was born after he died, true, but there's no evidence that her birth took place a significant time afterwards. In all likelyhood, nala could've been pregnant within days of Scar's death. As a matter of fact, neither Simba, Nala or any of the other main characters look much different than they did at the end of the first movie, which means there couldn't have been that much time to pass.

I can't believe i actually looked this up, but lion pregnancy lasts about 3 and a half months. So, it stands to reason that, since Kovu was the 'last born during Scar's rule' (according to Zira), that Kovu and Kiara are a little over 3 months apart in age. This is enough to make a small size difference, which, i admit, wasn't demonstrated in the animation, but i'm willing to overlook that especially since the outsiders have little food and Kovu and Vitani may very well just be small for thier age because of malnutrition.

Also, notice that Kovu has a tuft of hair that is colored black as opposed to brown like the rest of his fur. I take this as a mane in it's veeeery early stages, which further demonstrates that Kovu is older than simba was at the beginning of the first movie. And we all assume that young kiara is the same age as young simba was

...did that make any sense? Anyway, that's how i interpreted everything Also, just as a side note. Zira IS Nuka, Vitani, and Kovu's mother, or the makers would have said something. Scar is NOT Kovu's father because #1 it was mentioned several times, and #2 this is a kids' movie, i doubt disney would make a story about INCEST. aaand, due to the VERY close age between Vitani and Kovu, it just doesn't make sense unless they're twins.

Thanks for listening to my banter.

Maybe Scar gave Zira signs to tell that kovu is his successor like Mufasa gave signs to Rafiki about kovu's and kiara's betrothing.
Nala's eyes were grey-green in TLK but changed slightly here and there because of the different lights,
Nala's eyes were grey during to the darkish light in Eternals
pirit's link not blue.
http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/Koraden/NalaCompleteTLKcolors.jpg

For the first thing about Scar being dead before Kovu being born--
Yes, it is confusing... D: It makes no sense at all. BUT. You said something about "how could Vitani and Kovu have been born if Scar died before they were born?" Scar isn't their father. It clearly states it in the movie.

Soorrry! Something went wrong in that last post.

While the Lion King 2 had lots of plot holes, it also had rushed animation/editing.

For example, and I can't believe no one has mentioned this! javascript:setsmiley("%C2%B0x%C2%B0");In the scene with Kiara and Kovu where Kovu says "we are one" while looking into their reflections,

THE SCAR IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HIS FACE.

As anyone who has looked into a mirror would know, things appear backwards. Yet in this scene, Kovu's cut/scar appears as if you were to look straight at him.

It seems like Disney rushed to put this movie out.

Not to mention how much alterations were made to the time line in The Lion King 1 & 1/2.

Nala's eyes were not green they were grayish blue in the first movie, in the second they changed them to a more vibrant blue.
As for Kopa/Chaka/Fluffy, my theory is that they already had shown a male growing up and they decided to change him to the female Kiara.
As for Kovu, I have no idea.

Well Scar told Zira(before he died)to use the next newborn cub as king

Nala had sea green eyes in one, but think for a minute:

Small kids aren't gonna notice this - if there was incest or
whatever fr example they wouldn't understand not care.

And the reason why Simba is so overprotective is why Kiara is his
first child, a first time parent are always a little more protective

Kopa could not have been Kiaras older brother, because if she was born
not long after Scars dead, that means that Kopa was born while Scar
was king over the pride lands, and how could that go? Maybe Nala and Simba mated when they met, but it was to short time between that and whn scar died, so it is impossible, she wouldnt even get preagnent, it happened the same day!!
So I dont think taht Kopa was
ment to be Kiaras older brother, they just changed him to a girl.

kiara was suposed to have a brother but not kopa from the book chaka
but they got rid of him those out landers were pride landers
before. as a cub nala had green eyes when she got older she had bright
blue eyes in the second movie she had deep blue eyes. i think scar
came to zira as a spirit and told her that kovu would be he king

narlas eyes are blue in the first film NOT hazel http://www.moirakelly.net/Articles/moirakelly04.jpg

maybe Scar told Zira if she has cubs to name one to be kovu, that
would explain alot

Were you p[ut about Kovu being handchosen by Scar might
mean he was chosen whilst Zira was pregnant

Nalas eys were blue as an adult but green as a cub i only
know that cos i have a cuddly nala cub

You forgot to mention that there is no Elephant Graveyard
anymore, it is now the Outlands. But how could it change so
fast if it has all those elephant skulls in it? The
lionesses obviously could'nt haul those away, and they
couldn't rot out either.

anyway, this might be hinting that Scar lived JUST to see
Kovu born, and then died *unknown reason*, and then Simba
never knew and nither did Kovu because he was a cub. So
Zira would be older than Simba

there is a big gap imbetween LK1 and LK2 because Kiara was
still a cub, like Kovu and at this point, Kopa would have
grown up, so there was no possible way he could have been in
the movie because it would have changed the whole
storyline.

anyway, this might be hinting that Scar lived JUST to see
Kovu born, and then died *unknown reason*, and then Simba
never knew and nither did Kovu because he was a cub. So
Zira would be older than Simba

maybe hesaid to zira choos a cub and make it a kin g for me
and then he would still have chosen it