Outlanders - the most canon explanations

Outlanders - the most canon explanations


Gathering of some facts and info about Oulander theories


Upon reading some old articles revolving around famous questions about Outlanders origin, Zira, Kovu, Vitani, Nuka, their relations with Scar and with each other, I decided to write this little article. I will try to gather facts and answer those questions without mixing up semi-canon and canon and without drifting too far in fanon theories. There will be some speculations, but I will always try to back them up on canon facts.

Again, I won't even include the semi-canon here (SNA, comics) so please don't go commenting that "Zira was exiled for killing Kopa", "Vitani is TamaXTojo daughter". Comics and books are NOT a part of Lion King canon. It's okay to have your own fan theories but this is not what this article is about.

Alright, let's begin.

 

1. Zira was not Scar's mate.

It's confirmed that Zira is not a mate of Scar. She was originally designed as Scar's mate and Kovu was her and Scar's son, but as soon as the producers realized that Kovu and Kiara would be cousins, Kovu was changed to be an orphan and Zira was degraded to be "just a follower" to Scar.

Kovu

Alos delted scene from the first movie tells us that Scar never had a queen and probably any cubs (it's the same scene that was turned into Madness Of king Scar part in Broadway musical).

"...A loving familly, a devoted queen..." - Zazu (poiting out things that Scar lacks)

"A queen! I need a queen! She will rule by my side, we'll have cubs! Little Scars running all over the place, my heir. My descendants. My lineage. I will be immortal!" - Scar

2. Kovu is not Zira's biological son.

Darrell Rooney, director of Simba's Pride made a statement on his Facebook page about Kovu being an orphan, which means that Zira couldn't be his biological mother.

Kovu

3. Kovu was born in the Pridelands and Scar knew Kovu.

I think this one is rather obvious, even though Nala and Simba seemed not to know about Kovu untill they met him playing with Kiara, it's contantly hinted that Scar knew Kovu.

Firstly we have a deleted scene with Rafiki discovering that there is "another cub in the Pridelands" and it's supposed to be Kovu.

Later we have this line:

"Kovu was the last born before you exiled us to the Outlands" - Zira to Simba

there are mutliple lines about about Scar and Kovu relation:

"Scar took you in and accepted you as his own son." - Zira to Kovu (deleted scene)

"Kovu is the chosen one. We must fulfill Scar's dying wish, and train Kovu to become King." - Zira to Nuka (deleted scene)

"haven't you met my son, Kovu? He was hand-chosen by Scar to follow in his pawprints... and become King!" - Zira to Simba

And many other dialogues like that suggest that Scar knew Kovu, he adopted him and his wish was to make Kovu his heir.

4. Nuka and Vitani are most likely not Scar's children neither.

We heard that "He wasn't my father" thing from Kovu many times, so that relation is made clear, but how about Nuka and Vitani? I don't think they were Scar's children neither. Most of all, they never refer to him as "father". Why would they refer to him by name, not just father? I think if they were Scar's children, it would be made clear.

Nuka, in my opinion, and what many facts point to, is not Scar's son. In the original script Kovu and Nuka were one character (aka. Nunka) and he was Scar's son, but it was changed (see above). Again, Nuka refers to him as "Scar", not "father". He desperately wants his mother to notice him and give him a more important role, however his arguments are that he is "the oldest, I'm the strongest, I'm the smartest". It repeats from a deleted scene:

"You know, speaking of kings... I was thinking, since I am the oldest... maybe I should be King! Huh?" - Nuka to Zira (deleted scene)

Don't you think that the strongest agument would be the fact that he is Scar's true son? Yes, I think he would use it if he actually had it. Nuka thinks he's threated unfair, but mostly because he's the oldest, yet Zira ignores him and thinks him stupid. If he was Scar's son, he would surely mention it and be frustrated over the fact that orphan is placed higher than him. Obviously he's not Scar's son because if he was -he would surely mention it.

Not to mention Zira, who is obsessed with Scar, never refers to her kids as Scar's kids. Wouln't she, take pride to mother Scar's heir? Also at Nuka's death, Zira says:

"Scar... watch over my poor Nuka."

Nobody, neither Zira, Kovu or Nuka, even in their moments of despair, never say anything that could prove Scar's fatherhood of Zira's children.

 

 

That's all I could gather from scripts and official info. I hope some things have been explained to you, and please don't just go with "UR RONG!!!!1one *insert fanon theory*". I tried to explain the unclear parts of the movie as much as I could and like I said, this article is not mean for fanon speculations so keep them off the comments as well.






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March 06, 2022
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@Maltasha, Kovu's line about "Scar is still a part of me" doesn't state that Kovu knew Scar or that Scar knew Kovu. Absolutely. He easily could apply it to his fanatical and power-hungry mother, who is hung up on Scar and brainwashed him (Kovu) since childhood, always mentioned Scar as some noble idol and Kovu's "destiny from noble Scar" and trained him as the killer. Simple symbolism. Especially, given the fact, that Kovu literally means "scar" in swahili, i.e. Zira named her son after Scar.

February 25, 2022
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@Byanca Moureen Kovu himself admits that Scar actually knew him. In the scene where Kovu and Kiara are star gazing (just before the song 'Upendi' takes place) Kovu says, 'Scar wasn't my father, but he was still a part of me' or something along the lines if I remember correctly, followed by Kiara saying, 'My father told me Scar had a darkness in him which he couldn't escape from'.
This means Scar knew Kovu, hand chose him himself and spent time with him long enough for Kovu to have some memories with him. Why else would be say that Scar was a part of him if he didn't know him personally?

February 22, 2022
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I think, that Kovu is Zira's biological son too in the final film, 'cause in the movie documentary "Making of" he's described as her cub, if I remember correctly. The orphan thing, I assume, comes from some early ideas just like "Kovu is Scar's son" thing. All three cubs are only Zira's and not Scar's. You proved it good, creators themselves proved it too.

According to the workprint of the final version of the film, the Outlanders are Scar's followers, while Zira is the most loyal follower. I.e. she's not lover or queen or wife of Scar, she's just fanatical servant. She says about Pridelands to her cubs "That is where we belong. And soon, my beloved Scar, we shall reclaim your kingdom!" � not "our kingdom", but "your". Another example of her mad obsession.

The workprint you can find here: https://archive.org/details/lion-king-2-workprint-vhs

Here I say only my personal opinion, based on the deleted scenes from this workprint:

Seems to me, Zira is angry toward Simba not 'cause of banishing or Scar's death, but 'cause Simba returned and deprived her of the opportunity to legitimately seize power, i.e. the possible chance to become queen. Her line "[Scar is dead] because of Simba! If not for him, Scar would still be king! And I, Zira, his devoted queen!" � later she says "I now see the path to our glorious return to power!". That's it. She wants power, Scar for her is just the manifestation of her desire, nothing more. Another detail is about Kovu. He had no memories about Scar. All he says is either "Scar was not my father" or "I heard about Scar this, but what you tell now, I never heard" type of lines. It's unlikely that Scar really knew Kovu and chose him as his heir. I think, Kovu was born after Scar's death and after Zira's banishing (again, Scar didn't suspect that Simba is alive, Scar didn't suspect that he will be overthroned, he ruled alone in the original film, so he couldn't chose Kovu in any way). Only Zira says to Kovu about "He accepted you as his own son and chose you as the next king" thing , as if he himself doesn't remember or never knew this, she brainwashes him. The most plausible version is that Zira lied to all. Plus, in the deleted scene Rafiki pretty clearly hints that nobody, exept Zira and her pride, knew about Kovu and his "destiny from Scar" � Simba's reaction "Your cub" (as if he never knew about this and Zira never mentioned this during banishing) and Zira's response "Haven't you met my son, Kovu? He was hand-chosen by Scar to follow in his pawprints and become king!". Plus, Zira says "Nuka, we must fulfill Scar's dying wish and train Kovy to become king. Kovu is the chosen one!" � what kind of dying wish, if Scar tried to run away, fought with Simba and then was eaten by the hyenas and burned in the fire? He couldn't survive even for few seconds at all. Plus, Zira would know that the hyenas killed Scar, not Simba. Instead, she blames Simba. I think, it's the irrefutable evidence that Zira just lied to all about "Scar was close with me and chose my youngest son as king" thing and just wanted to get the power and used her son for this. At least, the workprint and its deleted scenes gave me this impression.

January 13, 2021
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@Kieran There's also something else - Flip Kobler stated that all 3 of Zira's cubs were meant to be Scar's cubs, and thus Simba's cousins, but when they changed it, they didn't know whether or not to make Kovu an orphan or him the actual son of Zira. I believe that's where the orphan thing came from since in the double-post, it said it was changed in the middle of production, so maybe Kovu was originally going to be an orphan, but they changed it.

Rooney also said that he was described as an orphan, but nowhere in the film is it stated that Zira isn't Kovu's mother.

The TLK 2 writers have an absolute TERRIBLE memory of their own movie to the point where fakers are always trying to rig the facts for us, so it's up to us fans to dig up the truth.

In my opinion, if Kovu can't be Zira's son with Scar, then likely he'd have to be Zira's cub with an undisclosed mate.

July 01, 2020
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I only wish this could be proven genuine. First of all, that's just someone asking some random guy on Facebook IF he happens to be THE Darrell Rooney, and that guy saying yes. That is in no way official proof of identity. This should count only if that discussion was held in public comments on the director's Facebook page, and the person asking taken a screenshot of the url address, and that account url provided on the director's official website. That way the realness of this discussion and the identity of this Mr. Rooney could be verified. As is, this can't be verified as true.

In addition, the person asking, allegedly, has a history of fabricating false documents to support their petsonal headcanon. To me, this would seem like one such time.

I mean, when I interviewed Alex Simmons about the character Kopa, I made sure to e-mail him to the address publicly displayed on his official website and then screenshot his reply with that same e-mail visible in the From-field. So that it'd be clear it's not fake because it has the official e-mail address and anyone is able to e-mail him to verify the screenshot's authentity, if still in doubt.

Even Wikipedia requires proper source reference linking for anything passed as a fact.

I don't consider those screenshots as canon/fact.

October 25, 2016
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He clearly doesn''t rememeber his own movie is he says that Kovu is son of Scar...

October 24, 2016
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I'm not sure about this.... I found this the other day and I asked them if it's opinion or fact I'm really confused about this post. Any thoughts? http://tlkskittles5384.deviant [...] ons-Bill-Motz-speaks-639372440

September 26, 2016
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Article updated with previously missing image and s little bit of additional info in the last part.

September 26, 2016
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We don't know that, okay?
"this article is not mean for fanon speculations so keep them off the comments as well."
I made this article because I was tired of fanonn speculation articles and people desperately trying to excuse their theories. Just leave it alone already unless you have some proof from decisive people :icon297:

September 25, 2016
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Thus, maybe Nuka didn't know or he wasn't aloud to tell anyone that he was Scar's son.

September 19, 2016
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Mmm.... Indeed.

September 19, 2016
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But you're only poiting me to his fan interpretations now. I really hope this article would be free of "who is related to who" headcanon arguments �x�

September 19, 2016
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Ok, I am not trying to argue but if it wasn't for HIM, then we wouldn't have got the Facebook messages so, Atleast be thankful.

September 18, 2016
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Seriously don't throw Wereberus at me. He's a stuck up who's know of harassing people who don't follow his headcanon. His words are not a law and don't confirm or change anything.

I reply - This article was NOT made to argue about fan theories and headcanons!

September 18, 2016
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And also, Wereberues even made
a post about Nuka and Scar's lineage. "Nunka IS Nuka." Their was no Kovu during production. / [...] aentage/164283.html&id_film=13

September 18, 2016
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Ok, but they still did have an ACTUAL realationship but it is unclear to what "type" of relationship they even had. Even Werebereus (The original poster) interpreted it as this. http://comments.deviantart.com/1/287763490/4216442784

September 18, 2016
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I don't think so. After all creations go though a lot of changes before final release. I though that deleted scenes presented were not really defining the canon we know today and I think direcors themselves admited there was just not enough time to include everything or the scenes were too inappropriate (ex. Nuka and Zira's death scene is SP or Scar&Nala scene).
But information like Zira was going to be Scar's mate or Nala was going to have a brother I do not consider canon if it was deleted completely form the final plot.

September 18, 2016
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Nananana-Batman!
Just to clear things up- if a scene was deleted or the information wasn't released to the public...Is it still actually cannon if we didn't see it in the final product?



September 18, 2016
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Yes, just like he said, they were supposed to be longtime mates, but this relationship was obscured to just a idol&follower.
Again', I'm just giving the canon, official information, not arguing about fan theories.

September 18, 2016
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He also said that Zira and Scar had an "Obscure relationship." So they did have a relationship.

August 13, 2016
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@Trollber, Yes, I have to agree with you trollber, Also though IN MY perosnal opinion I don't think it really confirms Zira not being Scar's mate. All it says is that she was going to be Scar's long time mate as in she knew him longer than anyone else. But about the Nuka thing, I tried to do some possible research of finding an actual interview video/source but failed to find any as I couldn't find a source. But we won't really know until we hear about it on the lion guard when Nuka,Kovu and Vitani guest star on the lion guard. So hopefully I think that they MIGHT mention Scar a couple of times as they did it in the movie. So, theirs a slight chance that they will/might talk about scar so that we can get the actual answers. Also, I think that there is a possibility that rafiki might also mention them in the cave of paintings.

August 12, 2016
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I don't even know about this Capricornfox person and what they did, but any other personal email or question hasn't been published by Disney neither.
As I said in the end of my article, I'm only basing this on the official proof. My fanon preferences may be different, but this article is not about supporting fan theories, but for searchinf for realiable facts. To me, canonicaly, Nuka is not Scar's son. It doesn't make sense to me for reasons posted above and for some other reasons I found in the movie later.

August 12, 2016
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@Trollber, From where? Capricornfoxs post? In my personal opinion I think that could have been made up and altered Easily. If it was true then wouldn't Disney have already tweeted it and posted it on their social media pages? Also, To be honest she could have wrote it in words, HER words. Words that could have been altered. There is no proof to support this except a possible story she made. But that's just my opinion but like you said there really is no proof to support this. About the rest, yes Zira WAS going to be Scar's mate but they changed it because it would be incest and Kovu and Kiara would have been related but just because they weren't mates in the final bit doesn't mean that they didn't mate. In my opinion I think it's possible that they could have mated only to produce Nuka and then choose another heir (Kovu) But this is just my opinion by the way. But I don't trust everything I believe on the Internet. I Guess that we will just have to wait for the 3 Cubs to star on the Lion guard.

August 10, 2016
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Oh well, this person is infamous for creating drama and trying to convince people to their theories.

I think that Nunka (Kovu's role) was either a single character and the character for Nuka's role didn't exist or there were two characters - Nunka/Kovu and a supposting bad character that later became Nuka, but was refered to as just "the bad guy" in concept art.

Now I heard of some mysterious interview that confuirms Scar was not Zira's mate and none of the kids are his, but I have yet to wait for confirmation.

August 10, 2016
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Well to be honest I agree with most of this :icon299: but about the Zira is not Scar's mate one we are never given a full answer because Darrell says that their was relationship was obscured and then he says that she is just a follower and then he kinda contradicts him self. Also, About the Nuka theory here's what I found on DA it's quite interesting. http://scarxzira10889tlk.devia [...] tani-and-Nuka-s-sire-210046545

January 29, 2015
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This explains a lot, but I just stay out of TLKII lore for my own sake XD when it comes to fan characters, I don't really make family tree's because I don't want to have to deal with all the lore I have to dig up

January 28, 2015
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I agree with you. There are so many univereses and theories in TLK, I keep having headaches XD




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